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But even if there were, you'd have to divide them among all the shareholders and I don't think they'd cover even 0.1% of each shareholder's losses.  

komm ich nach Kitz!

ich würde auch darauf verzichten  jeden volzullabern, dass die gleichen "bösen Mächte" die uns 1,9 versteckt haben Teile davon MB untergeschoben haben , und dass er bestimmt nur alles auf JM geschoben hat, weil es keine andere Option gab ;) und dass jeder der geld hat es wie ein oachkatzl an versch Plätzen lagern sollte ;)

Ich würde einfach nur die AUra des großen Visinonärs mit jeder Pore einsaugen und die Landschaft .die Innen und Aussenarchitektur und die DONs geniessen.


 

you are wrong again... you do not have to divide Braun's  capital among all shareholders.

This is due to the so called "dinglicher Arrest", where former shareholders became stakeholders/creditors. I will not explain this in detail again since you probably will not understand this.  

:-) I understand you understand
you understand so much that you expect money from Jaffé :-)
Just kidding
Anyway, at least we exchange and maybe learn something from each other.  

good point but you never read carefully what I write. At least there is still the chance that you might gain some knowledge anyway.

Why do you hint at Jaffe? I never expected much money from him. It will be at most 5% in my opinion.  

'former shareholders became stakeholders/creditors.'

But have you had one too many glasses of wine or what?
If for example Braun has an ownership of 30 million, and the shareholders will be at least 10000 each shareholder expects 20 million divided by 10000 = 3000 euros but I think the shareholders will be much more than 10000.

From Jaffé you should not expect 5% but 0 ZERO %.

:-) I'm telling you this just to exchange ideas.

 

Each shareholder is probably entitled to a percentage corresponding to the percentage of ownership of the shares  

Always to exchange idea and to come back to the earth :-)
You get the money if you win the lawsuit against EY and Bafin.  

but let me try this again. I will also do it in English to avoid language communication issues.

Braun was responsible for leading Wirecard as a CEO. It can be assumed that he was part of the fraud. Even if not he acted wrong by modifying adhoc news and news in general. They were always more positive then they should have been. But let's skip that part. Let's just assume that Braun has taken part in the fraud.

Shareholders lost about 20 billion euros when dealing in that stock. Even more with options and so on, but let's just focus on stock exchange. I dont have numbers on how many shareholders will try to get money back from Braun, Wirecard AG, EY or Bafin. But I can guarantee you that not every individual will go to court or make lawyers work for them.

Most inidivuals will focus on EY since there are investors how will minimize the risk of these people. I told you that I have an insurance so I do not have to care on any risk. I will go every possible way with lawyers.
The second most amount of shareholders will focus on Wirecard AG including Jaffe. In that case you are right that the more individuals join that, the less money they will all receive. In case they will at least get a euro. But the cost to participate in the case against Wirecard AG is very small.

Bafin will be the third most inidivuals joining. But this will take quiet some time since it is not yet clear what the chances for shareholders look like.

The smallest amount will focus on Markus Braun and his private company "MB Beteiligungsgesellschaft". According to the "Handelsblatt" article, Markus Braun and his family are currently trying to safe as much capital as possible by hiding Markus Braun's personal capital by pretending it to be owned by family. As you know Braun is currently in prison (Untersuchungshaft) since it is possible that he leaves the country and never comes back just as Marsalek. With that problem statement, individuals can perform a so called "dinglicher Arrest". You have to proof to the court that you got damage by Braun. Once the court decides if you really had damage, the court can agree on your "dinglicher Arrest". What this does is as followed:

Markus Braun has to depost exactly the money that was  your damage. Once it is deposited, you will never have to share this amount with any other shareholder. So in general you can assume that once you got a "dinglicher arrest", you can be sure that you receive 100% of your damage.

Now back to the "dinglicher Arrest": Once the court has agreed on it, you have to give Braun the chance to contradict and you also have to achieve a so called "einstweilige Verfügung". It is important to note, that once Braun has deposited your damage, it is still not your money. With achieving the "einstweilige Verfügung" you will gain access to the deposit. In case you will not achieve that, Braun will get back the deposit and you have to pay him compensation for blocking the money of your damage.

But in case you achieve the "einstweilige Verfügung" you will never have to share the money with other people. And that's what I was talking about when I said that former shareholders became stakeholders.

Please let me know if you have understood. In case not, you might keep going drinking italien wine.  

:-)
Joking
But can you imagine this poor man Mr. Braun being caught in the middle of an intelligence story and the whole of Germany against
What an ugly thing

Poor Mr. Braun, I'd like to send him a letter of support.

 

did you understand it?  

But in case you achieve the "einstweilige Verfügung" you will never have to share the money with other people. And that's what I was talking about when I said that former shareholders became stakeholders.

Forgive me
You have to understand that I unfortunately have a hard time understanding :-):-)

Just to understand
But you are the only former shareholder of Wirecard???

Anyway, wine is better than beer and does less harm. I recommend it.  

I recommend Italian not French wine  

in lawsuits against Braun personally.

Of course I am not the only former shareholder. But there is still capital that can be deposited and blocked from him. You are right! Once all of his capital is blocked or deposited, you can still achieve "einstweilige Verfügung" but all money will previously be arrested by other individuals that were faster in achieving the "dinglicher Arrest".  In that case you will not receive any money. It will be performed like a FIFO where the quickest arrest will get his money first.

i never talked about french wine. The only wine I like is wine rose lovely. But beer is still much more adorable.  

since u didn't answer me I am wondering if you are either drunk or are currently busy calling your lawyer to make him perform lawsuits against MB xD

at least i hope u finally understood :-)  

Away from me the lawyers

personally my lawyer is my shares, I lose the case I lose the four money that is left, I win the case I recover
I don't know why I bother with lawyers, but everyone has his own point of view.

From a logical point of view it would also be correct to oppose suing EY and Bafin.  

Listen to what I say and mark it

For me, in the end, they will find another solution than the legal one to deal with all the interests, it's too messy.  

I have no issue with them. They have spent a very long time on their education. Of course this has to be paid and 500€ per hour is a lot. I can also understand that people don't like them due to bad experiences. But in general your  mindset is primitive and simple-minded.

Unfourtanetly none of my friend lawyers are focused on stock exchange market.  

Bitte lesen.............

https://www.finanzen.net/nachricht/aktien/...-naechste-woche-10193382  

bitte eure mehrfachkonversation in deutsch oder über Boardmail ,mehrfache beschwerden von foristen die ich gerne unterstütze, danke schön.......  

ich denke bei ey sorgt man vor, das ey deutschland nicht pleite geht..............

https://www.franchisekey.it/...esorgt-ueber-schaeden-an-der-wirecard/  

wir hatten schon alles ;) https://forensicnews.net/...artners-with-russian-intelligence-cutout/  

das ist mir auch klar, dass es langsam nervig wird. Musste leider immer alles mehrfach erklären, da er sich nichts erklären lassen möchte? Ich lass es jetzt auf jeden fall bleiben.

Und bzgl den mehrfachen Beschwerden mancher Foristen: eine persönliche Nachricht ist immer besser als über Dritte. Das gilt auch nicht nur hier fürs Forum, sondern auch im Leben.  

der große Aufklärer ;)
Ich gehe auch davon aus , dass wdi geld in massen gemacht und gehabt hat
von mir aus mit dirty, wäsche,und korruption transfers
und dass der bestand zT von und an Oligarchen oder korrupte Politiker floß

Aber wie machen die sich AUfklärer  ihren Reim?
Wdi  machte illegale Geschäfte, hat aber nichts verdient
Hat kredite aufgenommen, Luft gebucht, Geld abgezweigt , STeuern bezahlt Geld erfunden ,

dann die Luft verkauft ;) davon geheime Geldspeicher angelegt , um gefälsche Bilanz aufzufüllen, obwohl die TH Konten NIE NIE NIE existierten ?
https://twitter.com/csFraudAnalysis/status/1400058405902073863  

wenn die bösen Mächte  JanM  und seine Daten  seit 2017 schreddern wollten, wieso wollte Merkel und Guttenberg ihn noch in Chinageschäfte um Masken , Desi , Viren -ich denke ja das war damals längst fix auf plan . involvieren?
wieso hat spd ihn noch geschützt ?

vll hat man Merkel ihre Hausaufgabenliste nicht deutlich genug ausformuliert, od Guttenberg war zu abgelenkt von Pferderanch um über  Jan informiert zu sein