Was meint Ihr, lohnt sich der einstig hier?

...tote Hose wa?...wieder nix mit steigenden Kursen..grummel...Fruehstuecksei
faellt auch aus wegen Dioxinhennen...Toll !!
Ein wunderschoener Tag wie er im Buche steht.....Im STRAFGESETZBUCH !  

 bei flatex find ich BOI gar nicht mehr!?

 

....sind vielleicht Schweizer.....   :-)  

man, ist das nervig!  

werden, aber ich leide mit euch, bin auch dick im Minus und inzwischen auch mehr als fett investiert....  

naja, bis spätestens Ende Februar müssen News kommen  

33,4 der SK in irland, 34 in London.... Mensch Mensch... mal schauen ob morgen die 32-33 getestet werden  

Diese Woche geht nix mehr.  Vieleicht nächste Woche.  

es kann ja auch wieder ganz schnell nach oben gehen; gerade dann, wenn man am wenigsten damit rechnet  

http://www.dowjones.de/site/2011/01/...h-gesunde-kredite-abgeben.html

 

 

Ein toller Analyst, oder wer hat das geschrieben  

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The Associated Press

(AP) – 1 hour ago

BRUSSELS (AP) — The European Union is moving ahead with plans to shield taxpayers from having to bail out big banks in the future, but there are substantial obstacles to making bondholders share losses.

The EU's executive Commission on Thursday presented plans that could give national regulators the power to force the owners of bank bonds to accept so-called haircuts — a reduction in the amount of money they are owed.

But the Commission stressed that any new bond rules would not affect existing debts — an issue that is closely watched in Ireland, where the government's commitment to guarantee struggling banks' debts pushed the country to the brink of default.

The EU proposal forms part of a larger package designed to give regulators the tools to deal with banking crises and keep institutions from becoming too big to fail.

"Although our first objective is better prevention, banks will fail in the future and must be able to do so without bringing down the whole of the financial system," Internal Market Commissioner Michel Barnier said in a statement. "That is why we must put in place a system which ensures that Europe is well prepared to deal with bank failures in an orderly manner — without taxpayers being called on again to pay the costs."

Any new rules for bondholders are unlikely to become law before 2013 and would then be phased in over time, EU officials said. They also have to be approved by EU governments and the European Parliament.

The plans, which are now open for discussion ahead of a legislative proposal in early summer, follow a similar initiative to make private creditors take losses when governments, rather than banks, are being bailed out. That decision triggered turmoil on government bond markets in the fall and has been blamed for worsening Dublin's troubles to the point where it had to seek a euro67.5 billion rescue loan.

Should the EU indeed manage to push through the new banking regulation, it could fundamentally transform the way banks fund their operations, as buying their debt would become much riskier.

During the financial crisis that followed the collapse of Lehman Brothers, private creditors were spared in all bailouts of European banks.

Bondholders usually lose money only when a bank declares insolvency, a move that European regulators skirted in fear of the consequences a failure might have on financial stability at a time when markets were already panicking. Instead, governments pumped billions of euros into struggling firms, shouldering taxpayers with massive burdens while bondholders walked away unharmed.

Although Commissioner Barnier has stressed many times that making taxpayers take on the cost of banks' risky bets in the future is unacceptable, EU officials said that they haven't yet decided on how best to substitute bailouts with so-called bail-ins.

"In this respect, the consultation is particularly open," an EU official said. "We're aware of the legal and practical challenges." The official didn't want to be quoted by name in line with department policy.

The Commission is considering either giving regulators the power to impose haircuts, or requiring banks to include clauses in a certain proportion of their bonds that would allow them to be converted into equity. In contrast to bondholders, shareholders took substantial losses in bank bailouts, as firms' market valuation sank and government stakes diluted the value of their shares.

"Being able to convert even a small fraction of bank bonds to equity can double or even treble the capital of a troubled bank overnight," said Sony Kapoor, director of Re-Define, a think tank that lobbies for banking reform. "The proposals may increase the cost of funding for financial institutions, but that may be no bad thing since banks have enjoyed implicitly subsidized borrowing costs that encouraged excessive leverage."

The Commission emphasized that a bail-in of private creditors would go hand in hand with a fundamental restructuring of a bank, including selling or winding down certain businesses.

The EU's executive also wants to give regulators the power to intervene early once they decide that a bank might become too big to fail, allowing them to change the management or ruling out certain business practices. It also hopes to improve coordination between national regulators when a bank that operates in several countries runs into trouble.

During the credit crunch, authorities struggled to come up with coherent measures when cross-border banks such as Fortis or Dexia threatened to collapse.

Copyright © 2011 The Associated Press. All rights reserved.

 

Capital plan lodged with Central Bank aims at securing €1bn from private sources in effort to avoid state control

By Laura Noonan

Thursday January 06 2011

BANK of Ireland has told the Central Bank it will try to raise more than €1bn from private sources by the end of February.

The commentary is contained in the bank's capital plan, which was lodged with the Central Bank in the last week of December.

It outlines how the bank proposes to raise another €2.2bn by the end of February to meet new capital targets.

Bank of Ireland and the Central Bank declined to comment on the proposals, although both confirmed that the capital plan had been filed.

It is understood to reiterate Bank of Ireland's intention to raise as much money as possible from private investors rather than taking cash from the State, which it already counts as a 36pc shareholder.

Some sources say the bank will target as much as €1.3bn from private investors, by offering new stock to existing shareholders and issuing new shares to the market.

These offerings are expected to be launched over the coming weeks, reflecting the tight timeline in raising the cash by February 28.

Bank of Ireland has already retained Credit Suisse as its adviser.

The bank is also believed to be targeting about €200m through 'liability-management exercises', where the bank buys back some of its debt at a discount. A recent liability-management exercise, which counts towards the €2.2bn goal, raised €700m in capital.

Investors

On November 28, Bank of Ireland told the stock market it would try to generate the €2.2bn through "a combination of internal capital management initiatives, support from existing shareholders and other capital market sources".

The bank acknowledged that the State would "subscribe for the incremental capital, should the bank not be in a position to raise sufficient capital" itself.

Several analysts have expressed scepticism about the bank's ability to tap the market for private capital.

Bank of Ireland investors have already been burned after stumping up more capital last summer.

It is also attempting to raise money against the spectre of another round of capital stress tests in 'quarter one'.

However, some observers fear these tests may impose even higher targets on Bank of Ireland, meaning that investors who buy in now face almost immediate dilution.

If Bank of Ireland fails to raise enough private money, it will then face becoming the fifth institution to fall under majority state control.

Sources stress, however, that the state ownership in Bank of Ireland is likely to be far lower than the "virtual nationalisation" of AIB.

The State effectively owns about 93pc of AIB and could own an even bigger stake by the end of February when AIB will also need more cash.

- Laura Noonan

http://www.independent.ie/business/irish/...-of-february-2485704.html  

wenn Ihr die NEWS nicht nur "blind" hier reinstellt sondern auch was dazu schreibt, also eure Meinung, was das für Auswirkungen hätte, was Ihr denkt, wie vertrauenswürdig die NEWS, Analysteneinschätzungen etc. sind.

Für mich klingt das alles gerade sehr nach Schwarzmalerei und wenn es eine Good neben einer BAD Bank geben wird dann verleiht das den banken evtl Konstanz, aber es hat den Riesennachteil, dass man sich auch nicht mehr allzu schnell gesund oder gar reich verdienen kann....

warten wir es ab....

zum nawaminelake Artikel: Das ist das Shwarzmalerei pur... und wie man es schaffen will das Geld zu beschaffen ist doch schon längst klar... im Notfall eben die dümmste Variante dass der Staat alles stemmt, aber dazu wird es nicht kommen.... aber Fakt ist, dass das Geld auf jeden Fall da ist bis Ende Februar...

Und selbst dann sind wir noch keine 2. AIB  

das schnelle geld ist hier nicht zu machen. ein - zwei jährchen muss man schon bleiben ;)

darf ich mal indeskret fragen wie viele stücke wir hier zusammen halten? das würde mich mal interessieren ;), gerne auch per BM, ich veröffentliche dann die gesamtzahl ;)

 

Es gibt einfach keine richtige oder evtl. kursentscheidende News. Nur Berichte oder Kulumnen . Mehr ist im Moment einfach nicht drin. Selbst da sagt der ein Hüh und der andere hott. Wenn es keine "richtige" Meldung gibt kann höchstens die Charttechnik
helfen. Der Kursverlauf ist genau so. Ob in Irland ,Lse , Usa oder hierzulande.  

...lächerlich gegenüber der Gesamtzahl.  

 

 

 

 

240.000 stücke - aber da geht noch was