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15130 Postings, 8470 Tage Pate100selbst seine eigenen Leute würde er auslöschen

 
  
    #501
14.07.11 20:06
Libyen-Krieg:
Es wäre ein selbstmörderisches Vorhaben: Russlands Gesandter für Afrika berichtet von einem Treffen mit Libyens Regierungschef Mahmudi - demnach erwägt Machthaber Gaddafi, seine Hauptstadt Tripolis zu zerstören, wenn sie an die Rebellen fällt.
man kann sich ausrechnen was er mit seinen Feinden gemacht hätte...

15130 Postings, 8470 Tage Pate100so seh ich das auch

 
  
    #502
14.07.11 21:25

15130 Postings, 8470 Tage Pate100update Brega Schlacht

 
  
    #503
15.07.11 12:24
komisch kaum news von der Front. Läuft wohl nicht so gut...
dafür gibts fortschrite in Zliten.

Zliten FF entered military camp in city&captured weapons.Also,a FF raised indep flag over SuqAlThalath school @ChangeInLibya

15130 Postings, 8470 Tage Pate100super news das öl fließt wieder

 
  
    #504
15.07.11 13:11
	Exclusive Libya rebels ready to begin pumping oil | Petroleum Economist
Publisher of Petroleum Economist, The Authority on Energy, energy maps and books. Provider of energy training services.
im befreiten osten. soll 2 Mio pro tag bringen...

15130 Postings, 8470 Tage Pate100shit wie vermutet wars wohl nix mit der offensive

 
  
    #505
15.07.11 13:44
Libyan rebels fall back after failed advance on eastern oil town - The Washington Post
BENGHAZI, Libya — Rebels in Libya’s east pulled back Friday after a failed advance on an oil town, as embattled ruler Moammar Gadhafi called on his followers to strike back at NATO.
Warum löscht die Nato nicht einfach die komplette Stadt aus? Problem gelöst...
Zivilisten gibts da längst keine mehr. Die amis haben doch so ne riesen bombe,
eine sollte da doch schon reichen...

15130 Postings, 8470 Tage Pate100Anti-Gaddafi-Allianz erkennt Rebellenrat offiziell

 
  
    #506
15.07.11 15:55
Libyen: Anti-Gaddafi-Allianz erkennt Rebellenrat offiziell an - SPIEGEL ONLINE - Nachrichten - Politik
Der Übergangsrat der Rebellen ist die legitime Regierung Libyens: Dies haben mehr als 30 Staaten beschlossen. Sie gehören der Libyen-Kontaktgruppe an und wollen die Gegner von Muammar al-Gaddafi zudem künftig stärker finanziell unterstützen.

15130 Postings, 8470 Tage Pate100sieht gut aus für Brega

 
  
    #507
16.07.11 12:06
kommen wohl langsam voran. Aber schon über 150 verletzte...
Das war hart!

libyanproud libyanandproud
#Brega : The slow progress is due 2: g forces are entrenched and breach of the g defensive positions was hard and successful !#Feb17 #Libya
8 minutes ago

#Brega : Battles ongoing and non stop for past 72 hours . I will update progress not plans. #Feb17 #Libya

#Nafusa : #BirGhanam : Battles in the BirGhanam Front NOW ! Updates soon . #Feb17 #Libya

15130 Postings, 8470 Tage Pate100Brega ist befreit

 
  
    #508
16.07.11 16:54
ChangeInLibya Mhalwes
Brega: Freedom fighters have so far managed to remove over 500!!! Anti-tank & Anti-personnel mines on the road to Brega #libya #feb17

ShababLibya LibyanYouthMovement
Freedom Fighters now control most of Brega, Gaddafi forces retreating 20km west toward Bishr. Small ongoing clashes near air strip #Libya
2 minutes ago Favorite Retweet Reply

LibyanYouthMovement
ShababLibya LibyanYouthMovement
Heavy clashes erupt in Libya's Western Mountains shabablibya.org/?p=4099

ChangeInLibya Mhalwes
Brega: via Arabiya: Libyan freedom fighters control many parts of Brega & Gaddafi forces are retreating to Bishr further west #libya #feb17

15130 Postings, 8470 Tage Pate100Misrata youth goes from Playstation to front line

 
  
    #509
17.07.11 11:27

Das ist echt ungleublich was die leisten. Ich glaube wir deutschen würden uns nicht in
1000 Jahren gegen so einen Diktator erheben. wie die geschichte ja auch gezeigt hat...

“But they are braver than we are. And braver than we thought they would be.”

Misrata youth goes from Playstation to front line    
 

By: Nick Carey
When the war in Libya started, many young men now on the rebel front  line at Misrata were so interested in computer games and mobile phones  that older residents never thought they would turn into fighters.  “Before the uprising, all those young men cared about was hair gel,  clothes, music, mobile phones and hanging out in cafes,” said Mahmoud  Askutri, a businessman who has formed and funds the 1st battalion of the  Al Marsa regiment, one of the rebel units fighting here to end Muammar  Gaddafi’s 41-year rule.

“But now they fight and are willing to die for a cause.”

Amid the Arab Spring protests that swept the region early this year,  the people of Misrata and elsewhere in Libya demanded greater freedom,  so Gaddafi sent in the troops to silence their protests.

After those troops opened fire on demonstrators, the people of  Misrata rose up, initially fighting back with petrol bombs and hunting  rifles.

Since then, they have wrested control of Libya’s third largest city  from Gaddafi loyalists and, after mistakes that cost many lives, this  army of former civilians has consolidated a front line 36 km (22 miles)  west of Misrata.

They have recently encountered better trained troops and have moved  forward slowly under sustained bombardment to conserve ammunition, hold  territory and reduce casualties.

That they are around 10 km (six miles) east of Zlitan, the largest  city between here and the capital, Tripoli, is testimony to the courage  of the young men in this force.

“They treat me with great respect,” Askutri said before a visit to  the men of Al Masra on the front line. “But when I see them I do not  feel worthy of that respect. A few months ago they were civilians. Now  they are willing to die for their freedom.”

Salah is typical of many young men on the front line here. The  20-year-old was attending medical school when the uprising started. Life  was easy and he spent a lot of time playing soccer games on  Playstation.

“Fifty fifty,” he says of his record on Playstation.

Sitting with a group of other young men, he says he is a big fan of  FC Barcelona. A second young man shakes his head and says he likes Real  Madrid, while a third looks down at the Manchester United logos embossed  on his shoes and says nothing.

Salah plans to return to university after the war, as he wants to become a cardiologist.

“But first we must beat Gaddafi,” he says. “We cannot be free if we live under him.”

“THIS IS MY GUN”

Mobile phones are common at the front line, even though the city has been without mobile reception since the uprising.

Young fighters use them to take pictures of each other and videos of  battle. Some of them hand out email addresses, though again internet is  available at very few spots in Misrata.

Another sign of the times is that the Al Marsa has an amateur  videographer. Yezid, a slight 23-year-old microbiology student with  round spectacles, carries a video camera to the front.

He has been wounded twice, with a bullet in his right thigh and a  piece of shrapnel in his left knee that makes walking painful and  running impossible.

“This is my gun,” he said, holding up the camera with a smile.

Dressed in t-shirts, jeans and whatever sensible shoes they have, the  teenagers and twentysomethings here have come a long way in just a few  months. They joke when Gaddafi forces fire Grad rockets at them from  nearby because they are not very effective at close range.

But like soldiers anywhere, what they do not like are mortar attacks  where the bombs hit closer to the front line and cause more casualties.

“A Grad is no problem, but I don’t like the mortars,” said Ahmed, 21,  an engineering student sharing a bunker with two friends who jokingly  refer to it as a five-star hotel. “The small pieces of metal from the  mortar cut you.”

When the crump of a mortar is heard, many of the men in the line say  “Allahu Akbar,” or “God is Greatest”, before it lands. Muslims believe  that dying with those words on your lips brings you closer to God.

 

SHRAPNEL WOUND

Despite the concern about mortars, the men at the front all seem focused on their cause.

Asked what thoughts he had of a future beyond the war, one 21-year-old who gave his name as Ali shook his head.

“I don’t care about that now,” he said. “All I want to do is kill Gaddafi.”

Since speaking to Reuters, Ali has sustained a shrapnel wound in the  leg but has returned to the front line. Wounds for the “thowar” or  revolutionaries have become, as Agila Erfaida, a lecturer at the  University of Misrata’s Faculty of Medical Technology puts it, “badges  of honour.”

Certainly the young men of a unit led by Tariq Madi, a former bank employee, are keen to show off their scars.

“Most of the men here have been wounded more than once,” said Madi,  36, who managed the safety deposit boxes at BNP Paribas’ Misrata branch  before the war. Most of them are aged between 17 and 20.

Being wounded is one thing, but watching friends die is another.

Groups of weeping young men can often be seen outside Al Hekma hospital in Misrata after one of their comrades has been killed.

At the field hospital closest to the front, one young lightly injured  man wandered around shirtless, bandaged and crying inconsolably, not  for his own wounds but for the friend who died next to him.

The toll of those losses can be seen in the faces of men like Sofian, a 21-year-old engineering student.

When asked how he adapted to life in the front line, Sofian responds with a laugh “war is fun.”

But the laugh does not reach his eyes. When he looks at you, the eyes of an old man stare out of a young face.

“Now we have begun, we have to go all the way to Tripoli,” he said.  “If Gaddafi wants to get back into Misrata, he will have to come over  our dead bodies.”

Older men in the city, like Mohammed Erhyam, are impressed.

“We did not expect this from our young people, that they would fight so hard,” said the 49-year-old.

“But they are braver than we are. And braver than we thought they would be.”

Source: Reuters

 

 

 

 

 

 

 
 
http://ibizaglobalradio.radio.de/  Piraten Partei! Klar zum Entern!!

15130 Postings, 8470 Tage Pate100Die Ägypter sind unzufrieden mit der

 
  
    #510
17.07.11 12:01

Geschwindigkeit  wie die Reformen umgesetzt werden.
 

By Alan Fisher inon Sun, 07/17/2011 - 01:00.
Photo by AFP

Tahrir  Square is the symbolic heart of the Egyptian revolution; the place  where people stood united and faced down a ruler, a regime and a way of  life to be rejected.

But now more than six months on, the square  remains a focus of discontent, the home of protests of those who believe  the revolution in Egypt didn't end in January but only began.

In  the heat of the early morning, the check points on the roads into the  square are already manned. The security is tense but polite and  apologise for delaying our entry. More than once I'm told "welcome to  Egypt.  The square itself is nothing special; slightly weary, and run  down.  I think at first it is an unremarkable place really in a country  where history leaps out around every corner before quickly realising  that this place too will join the storied and the famous.

There  are thousands in the square for the latest Friday protest. The  organisers predict more as the sun drops and the temperatures with it.  The soft breeze from the Nile is welcome when it blows, finding its way  past the mosque and the soon to be built luxury hotel.

The  gathering brings together many layers of lie here - united in the view  that the pace of change since the revolution is too slow, that too much  of the old regime remains. The worries and concerns that brought them to  the streets in January are the worries and concerns that drive them  now.

And this they want the authorities to know is a final warning.

One  man who travelled home from the US to take part in the revolution is  still here five months on; his life in America is as much on hold as the  changes he craved in Egypt.

He says: “I'm here to see our demands realised. Nothing has changed since the beginning of the revolution."

One  man has travelled for several hours to be in the square. He has an army  boot on his head. He looks slightly crazed but his view is considered  and thoughtful; "We are still under the boot of the military and it has  to change. You hear people chanting against them now".

Only this  week the military led government forced 600 policemen into early  retirement and made some concessions to the protesters but in the sermon  ahead of prayers the words are angry even if the tone is not.

Sheik  Mazar Shaeen is soberly dressed in grey with a red band around his hat.  He speaks confidently and steadily. For him – to address the Friday  crowds in Tahrir is a big moment. They listen attentively as he says  what many are feeling: "They call us thugs for protesting but we are  not. The government has made changes but why has it taken so long? Why  didn't they do this months ago?"

And he warns the protests will  grow once more if the government continues with what he believes is a  reluctance to continue. “They must act, they must listen or the millions  will return to the street”.

Some believe the government doesn’t  want to move. They believe it is too firmly embedded in the economic  life of Egypt, with its businesses and patronage, that it has too much  to lose by changing too much.

In the tented village that has now  become established in the roundabout in the centre of Tahrir there is a  reminder of how deep the anger is, how far people will go to make their  point.

Heba Fouad is a lawyer. She is helping to prepare  sandwiches for the protesters but not one will pass her lips. She's now  on hunger strike and says she will gladly die to highlight the demands  of those in Tahrir.

"I have an important message; I am against  what is happening now. I want stability and prosperity in Egypt. If I  can't have a decent life, death is better for me. If I cannot live as a  free woman, then it's better to die as a hero."

The Arab spring  has turned to summer. It has already changed the world - but for those  here - the world hasn't changed quickly enough.

You can follow Alan on twitter @AlanFisher

 

15130 Postings, 8470 Tage Pate100und weiter gehts Richtung Las Ranuf

 
  
    #511
18.07.11 13:07

Brega ist mit Minen übersät. deshalb dauert es noch etwas bis die stadt komplett von
G. Soldaten gesäubert ist.  Der Großteil der toten und verwundeten wurde durch Minen
verursacht.

 

Libya Freedom Fighters say Gaddafi forces retreat in east

 

July 18, 2011

                     

* Insurgents encircle strategic oil town, spokesman says

* Mines take heavy toll on rebel force

(Adds detail on landmines, refinery, background on fighting)

CAIRO, July 18 (Reuters) – Libyan rebels have routed most of Muammar  Gaddafi’s militias from the oil town of Brega but will have to clear  landmines littering the streets before they can take full control of the  area, a rebel spokesman said on Monday.

Rebel fighters have encircled Brega, a key oil export terminal with a  refinery and chemical plant which for months marked the eastern limit  of Gaddafi’s control, but are staying out of the centre, rebel spokeman  Shamsiddin Abdulmolah said.

“The main body (of Gaddafi’s forces) retreated to Ras Lanuf,”  Abdulmolah said by telephone. “I am told they have some four-wheel-drive  trucks with machineguns spread out between Ras Lanuf and Bishr.”

Ras Lanuf, another major oil export centre, lies some 100 km (62 miles) west of Brega.

He said rebels trying to take control of Brega had been hindered by  landmines laid by Gaddafi loyalists across the town, on its desert  outskirts and at its oil installations.

“The main (oil) installations are still mined and the remnants of  Gaddafi’s forces are still there,” said Abdulmolah. “Cleaning them out  is going to be a bit difficult without damaging the facilities  themselves.”

The rebels say the mines have taken a heavier toll than guns and  rockets as they tried to dislodge Gaddafi’s forces from Brega with the  help of NATO aerial attacks.

Abdulmolah said 10 rebels were killed and 175 wounded on Saturday, and two were killed and 120 wounded on Sunday.

“The bulk of our forces are now past Brega and are heading towards  Bishr and Ugayla,” Abdulmolah said. “I am sure they will clash today or  tomorrow in and around Bishr and Ugayla.”

The rebellion blew up in the eastern city of Benghazi five months  ago, but Gaddafi has held fast in the capital Tripoli despite heavy  aerial attacks by the rebels’ Western allies, causing strains among the  foreign coalition partners.

Source Reuters

 

 

 

 

 

15130 Postings, 8470 Tage Pate100#FF using artillery that can shoot to 25Km

 
  
    #512
18.07.11 19:39
wow die haben ja jetzt richtige Waffen! Nachdem Bishr und Ras Lanuf überrannt
wurde(denke mal in den nächsten 2-3 Tagen), soll es direkt nach Misratha gehen.
Sirte soll umgangen werden.

Wenn ost und west FF vereinigt sind, ist sliten erledigt und Tripoli fällig.
Die western Mountin FF werden dann wohl auch im süden soweit sein.
Die letzten Wochen von G. sind angelaufen. Jetzt kommt die Zeit der großen Rache!



15130 Postings, 8470 Tage Pate100die Attack helicopters sind echt krass

 
  
    #513
18.07.11 20:00
habe ein video gesehen wie die bei Nacht angreifen... heftig als würde die Hölle
auf Erden losbrechen. die Gegner haben absolut keine Chance!

Das ist echt demoralisierend für die Gegner....

42940 Postings, 8631 Tage Dr.UdoBroemmeDie Rebellen langen ja auch schön hin

 
  
    #514
18.07.11 20:07
Laut Human Watch Privathäuser und Krankenhäuser geplündert, Unbeteiligte verprügelt.
War ja irgendwie auch nicht anders zu erwarten.

15130 Postings, 8470 Tage Pate100wie willst du das bei 10000 -20.000 FF verhindern?

 
  
    #515
18.07.11 20:18
grade nach ner harten schlacht wo vielleicht viele Freunde getötet wurden...

Ich finde das ist echt keine Nachricht wert, wenn man die unmenschlichen Verbrechen
von G. gegenüberstellt.  Hier wurden ein paar geschlagen(lol) G. hat 1000de
hingerichtet. u.a. vorher gefoltert, kopf abgeschnitten, systematisch vergewaltigt...
usw. also bitte ist ja echt lächerlich...

Bei den Amis im Irak war so was Standard(ok nur nicht so harmlos)...

15130 Postings, 8470 Tage Pate100warum der Vormarsch so schleppend vorrangeht

 
  
    #516
19.07.11 21:11

15130 Postings, 8470 Tage Pate100an der zweiten großen Front Zlitan geht es auch

 
  
    #517
20.07.11 16:23
 Libyan rebels push towards Zlitan | World news | guardian.co.uk
Rebel forces in Misrata say they are making gains amid heavy fighting, while minefields hamper progress in battle for Brega
weiter...

15130 Postings, 8470 Tage Pate100ist wohl nur noch ne frage von 1-2 tagen bis

 
  
    #518
20.07.11 22:05
zliten befreit ist.... Dann ist der Weg nach Tripoli!!

ChangeInLibya Mhalwes
ZLITEN: Reports that Misrata freedom fighters are in complete control of Tuesday market & that Gdfis 'Hamza brigade' cmndr has been captured

inglesi Piers Scholfield
by ArmchairArab
Heavy frontline fighting today led to many casualties - 7 dead & 73 injured, 15 seriously - by 7pm so prob more to come. #Misrata #Feb17

das sind kriegsverbrechen und nicht ein paar vereinzellt schläge der FF...
dovenews Libyan™
#Gaddafi forces are using civilians as human shields to prevent #FF from advancing. #Zlitan #Misrata

dovenews Libyan™
Reports of fierce fighting between #FF & G forces in #Zlitan, #FF have destroyed few armored vehicles & arrested some G forces.

Sarahdrah Zlitniya
by ShababLibya
FF are 4km from #Zliten centre v @Guma_el_gamaty


15130 Postings, 8470 Tage Pate100viele fragten wer sind eigentlich die libyschen

 
  
    #519
20.07.11 23:20

"Rebellen" und was wollen sie.  Der Artikel versucht ne Antwort zu geben.
PS: komische quelle... what the fuck ist the christian science Monitor?

 

So who are Libya’s rebels exactly?    
 

With the US expanding ties – and possibly aid – to the  Libyan rebels fighting Muammar Qaddafi, it’s a question a lot of people  are asking. But it isn’t an easy one to answer.


By Dan Murphy
From almost the moment the embryonic Libyan Transitional National Council (TNC) began to come together in Benghazi and other eastern cities that successfully rose up against Muammar Qaddafi‘s  rule in February, a deceptively simple, hard-to-answer question began  to dominate the international conversation: “Who are these people?”

That question contains a host of subsidiary questions with implications for what the US and other foreign powers involved in the Libyan war  should do: “Are they democrats, will they be friendly to the West, do  they want an Islamist government, do they have it in them to lead Libya  towards a more open society?” One of the most common criticisms here in  the US about America’s backing for the NATO air campaign against Mr. Qaddafi is that we don’t know who it is, really, that we’re helping.

Now, with the US deepening ties with the TNC and considering  releasing some of the $30 billion of Qaddafi funds currently frozen in  US accounts to the rebels, those questions are gaining renewed urgency.  Last week, the US joined France and other nations in recognizing the TNC as the “legitimate governing authority” of Libya in a meeting with rebel representatives in Istanbul. Over the weekend, US Ambassador to Libya Gene Cretz met with Qaddafi representatives in Tunisia, the first such meeting since the war began and a sign of the growing push for a managed departure of Qaddafi from power.

Libyan rebels pray at the frontline, 37 miles west of Ajdabiyah on July 18. (Reuters)

I spent six weeks in Eastern Libya in February and March and was  warmly welcomed everywhere I went. The country and its people are also,  like most places, hard to pigeon-hole. Libya is a very, very socially  conservative place. Most women cover their hair. But the first person to  great me on the “liberated” side of the Egyptian-Libyan border was a  beaming woman with short hair, a black leather jacket, and an AK-47 slung over her shoulder. A day later, I met Maj. Salma Faraj Issa, the spokeswoman for Maj. Gen. Suleiman Mahmoud, a Qaddafi officer who’d defected with his forces when ordered to fire on unarmed protesters in Tobruk in the early days of the uprising.

I was in Benghazi the night of March 18, when the UN authorized  the use of force against Qaddafi, and I mingled in the joyful crowds  waving American, French, and British flags and firing round after round of celebratory gunfire in the air. I was in town the next morning, when it looked like Qaddafi was going to overrun the  city, prompting panicked and angry complaints that “the UN has  abandoned us.” (French war planes saved the day a few hours later.)

In the weeks after the NATO air cover was put into place, I had  countless discussions with TNC members and average residents, angry and  suspicious that the foreigners weren’t doing more to defeat Qaddafi.  And I began to try to piece together, as much as I could, who exactly  the “rebels” are and what they want.

The official answers to these questions were straightforward and  designed to reassure. The TNC says it wants democratic elections, a  separation of powers, and respect for human rights. Its spokesmen have  consistently promised that while they want trials for Qaddafi and some  of those closest to his regime, which has executed and tortured  thousands of Libyans since he seized power in a 1969 coup, they will do  what they can to stop mass reprisals the day Qaddafi falls.

The vast majority of Libya’s people are also devout Sunni Muslims,  and the council and its supporters want Islamic law to be a “a source”  of legislation in the new Libya. That’s been seized on by those in the  West who think an Islamist takeover of Libya post-Qaddafi is in the  offing. But that formulation is fairly standard in the constitutions of  Muslim majority states, and one of the assertions I feel most confident  in making is that the likelihood of a strict, sharia-based order  emerging post-Qaddafi is close to nil.

Islam is probably the most powerful social force in the country, and a  free Libya will see more Islamist political organization (Qaddafi  ruthlessly repressed Islamist groups, as he did secular opponents). But  there are powerful forces that want secular law in Libya as well. Abdel  Karim Hasadi, a rebel commander and devout Muslim in the city of Derna,  is one of the Libyans whom Qaddafi officials have tried to paint as  members of Al Qaeda. He fled the country in the 1990s, and lived for a time in Afghanistan.

“What do I want?” he asked me,  a little exasperated at the latest in a string of journalists to pop  the Al Qaeda question. “Three basic rights: a constitution, freedom,  justice. No more one-man rule. Is that what Al Qaeda wants? Really,  having a beard and being a Muslim doesn’t make you Al Qaeda.”

Fatih Terbil, a human rights lawyer whose arrest in Benghazi on  February 15 spurred the uprising, has been among the leading secular  opponents of Qaddafi. He told me that he was in the front lines of  protesters outside the Italian Consulate on  Feb. 17, 2006, when a protest that was ostensibly about the publication  of cartoons depicting the prophet Mohammad in a Danish newspaper  quickly devolved into an attack on Qaddafi’s rule. That protest, in  hindsight, was the first glimmering that a general uprising was  possible.

“Look, we are part of the Islamic world and Islam is an expression of who we are,” Mr. Terbil said.  “But the revolution didn’t start with religious people, and it’s not  about religion. This is about basic rights, and holding elections.”

The TNC itself is largely drawn from upper middle-class  professionals, lawyers, doctors, professors, and some wealthy  businessmen, with a sprinkling of Qaddafi officials who have defected.  Many of them come from prominent families that suffered when Qaddafi  seized power, and harbor grievances about businesses and property taken  from them in the years since.

Among this core, there’s still fury at Qaddafi’s attempts to outlaw  private industry earlier in his reign, and they profess a generally  free-market outlook. Libya’s oil? They say it should be sold to the  highest bidders. There’s also a reflexive distaste for the sorts of  foreign interventions, like the war in Chad and  support for smaller African rebellions, that Qaddafi was so fond of.  After all, the blood of their sons was spilled and national wealth  squandered in those efforts.

What of the rebel military? Nominally they’re answering to the TNC,  but in practice the former Qaddafi officers who are organizing the rebel  army are pretty much calling their own shots. There have also been  signs of rivalry among their ranks. In March and April, Gen. Khalifa Hifter, a long-time US exile with CIA ties  who returned home weeks after the uprising began, insisted that he was  in charge of the rebel military — over the objections of the TNC. Their  man was recent Qaddafi defector Gen. Abdel Fattah Younes.  The dispute was quieted with Hifter receding into the background, but  it’s a reminder that strong personalities are operating without any  clear institutional frameworks.

They say Libya will be eternally grateful to the NATO members who intervened in their rebellion.

Should they be taken at their word on that? I think they sincerely  mean it when they say it, but a post-Qaddafi Libya, rightfully, is going  to look after Libyan interests first. That those interests won’t be  perfectly aligned with the US, for instance, is hardly surprising. And  given the character and culture of the country’s people (distaste for Israel,  for instance, is as high or higher than it is in any other Arab country  I’ve visited) there will be plenty that a theoretical new Libya will  disagree with foreign powers about.

The real question is how they will manage a transition when there are  so few road maps for what comes after Qaddafi. His regime is a peculiar  one in the regional context. Hosni Mubarak‘s Egyptmay  have been a dictatorship, but there were strong functioning  institutions and bureaucracies – not least the military – that provide  some structure to that country’s transition. Qaddafi was reflexively  hostile to anything that could resemble institution-building. He set up a  system through which power and favor must directly flow through him.

As a consequence, Libya’s people have next to no experience with the  sorts of coalition-building and compromise that will be needed in any  transitional period. And Libya is filled with authoritarian characters  who, given the chance, would probably be delighted to be the next  Qaddafi. The TNC insists these issues will be managed well, but the “day  after” is certain to be a fraught and difficult period.

Who are Libya’s rebels? They’re, well, Libya. Nationalistic, flawed,  proud, inexperienced in government. On balance, they’re the best hope  for a better Libya than what Qaddafi offered.

Source: CS Monitor 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

33960 Postings, 6055 Tage McMurphyVolle Deckung, Pate

 
  
    #520
20.07.11 23:23

15130 Postings, 8470 Tage Pate100achja so geht das Regime vor

 
  
    #521
21.07.11 11:32
nett oder?

ChangeInLibya Mhalwes
This same family (my neighbours) were forced to go out in pro-Gaddafi demonstrations in green square - they were told he would be released
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I've reached a point where I dread calling Tripoli & asking how things are. 20+ kidnapped from our street.. no fuel.. nothing. #gaddafi
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ChangeInLibya Mhalwes
torture. Family being forcd to sign papers saying he died due to a heart condition. What did he do? He had a video of #feb17 demos on laptop
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The body of one of my neighbours in Tripoli was released to his family today. He died in captivity - most probably due to... (cont) #libya

15130 Postings, 8470 Tage Pate100aktueller Lagebericht

 
  
    #522
21.07.11 11:37

15130 Postings, 8470 Tage Pate100Frontbericht Zliten

 
  
    #523
21.07.11 11:53

15130 Postings, 8470 Tage Pate100eine weitere Front ist eröffnet

 
  
    #524
21.07.11 15:42

FF rücken im süden auf Sebha zu. Ist bis jetzt fast untergegangen, da es kaum Infos gibt.
Das sollte jedenfalls weitere G. Einheiten binden. Lange halten die das nicht mehr aus.
Zu viele Fronten die sie gleichzeitig halten müssen. Und überall verlieren sie Boden.
Der Sieg ist nah!
 

ein weiteres Gerücht tauchte eben auf. Abdallah Senussi soll ermordert worden sein...
YESSSS
BREAKING: RUMOUR: Reports that Abdallah Senussi, Gaddafi's main assistant & ICC criminal has been assassinated by #Tripoli FF. Details soon.
 

Libyan Rebels Advance on a Gadhafi Stronghold    
 

By: Charles Levinson
Rebel fighters have penetrated Libya’s southwest desert and pulled  within 80 miles of Col. Moammar Gadhafi’s southern stronghold, opening a  new front and suggesting the strongman’s grip is slipping even in areas  believed firmly in his control.

The rebels captured a small village south of Sebha on Monday. The  fall of Sebha, one of Col. Gadhafi’s three regional power centers, would  be a huge symbolic and strategic blow.

The city of 130,000 is a logistics hub for the regime, channeling  food, fuel and other war supplies northward from southern farmlands and  neighboring Algeria, Chad and Niger, said rebel leaders.

With the latest offensive, rebels have now made progress on every front of the war.

Rebel fighters on Wednesday shouted slogans at the funeral in Benghazi of seven comrades killed in Brega on Tuesday.

Despite the advance, the force threatening Sebha is hundreds of miles  south of Tripoli and poses no direct threat to the capital, where Col.  Gadhafi and his family are still clinging to power.

Even if the rebels only threaten Sebha, which Col. Gadhafi has been  able to leave lightly defended until now thanks to strong tribal support  in the area, it could force him to redeploy units battling elsewhere to  defend the city, further stretching his already battered forces.

Many of Col. Gadhafi’s most loyal commanders and fighters hail from  Sebha and may feel compelled to abandon the fight on distant fronts to  protect their homes and families, rebel leaders said.

The uprising began in eastern Libya in late February and quickly  spread to other parts of the country. Col. Gadhafi moved aggressively to  crush the rebellion, but the intervention of North Atlantic Treaty  Organization powers in late March tipped the war’s tide in the rebels’  favor. The conflict appeared to be at a stalemate for months as the  ill-equipped rebels struggled to organize effective attacks on  Gadhafi-held territory.

But in recent weeks, rebels made significant inroads. In the Western  Mountains, they have advanced to within 35 miles of Tripoli.

In the besieged coastal city of Misrata, they have steadily pushed back Col. Gadhafi’s fighters.

On Wednesday, Misrata’s rebels resumed an offensive against  neighboring Zlitan. And in the east the rebels are in the midst of an  offensive to take the oil city of Brega.

On Wednesday, Libyan rebel leaders met with French President Nicolas  Sarkozy in Paris and asked him to support their plans to mount a  military offensive on Tripoli aimed at toppling Col. Gadhafi.

Rebel fighters on Wednesday shouted slogans at the funeral in Benghazi of seven comrades killed in Brega on Tuesday.

The delegation of rebel chiefs, which included senior officers from  Misrata and a member of Libya’s National Transitional Council, the main  opposition group to Col. Gadhafi, said they needed more weapons and  logistical assistance to oust the longtime leader.

The previous day, Anders Fogh Rasmussen, the civilian head of NATO,  praised the rebels’ progress in an interview at NATO headquarters in  Brussels.

“The opposition forces are now more experienced, better trained,  better coordinated,” he said. The situation on the ground is “absolutely  not a stalemate,” he said, adding Col. Gadhafi’s forces have suffered  “a very, very clear weakening.”

Due to poor communications networks, lack of Internet and its remote  desert location, southern Libya has received scant attention during the  Libyan uprising. Reaching residents in southern Libya remains  tremendously difficult.

This account of the southern offensive has been pieced together based  on interviews with residents of southern Libya, rebel commanders on the  ground in the south and in the Western Mountains, Libyan activists with  friends and family living in southern Libya, as well as rebel officials  who represent the south.

While the details are impossible to independently confirm, those interviewed gave similar accounts.

The rebel fighting force that is now rumbling through the  southwestern desert was first mustered in late May and early June in the  southeastern oasis city of Kufra. A resident of the southern town of Al  Qatrun, which rebels took last week, estimated the force includes 60 to  65 4X4 vehicles and as many as 300 fighters.

Earlier this month, the force captured a remote desert airfield and  army outpost called Al Wigh, near Libya’s borders with Chad and Niger,  and soon after seized the Tummu border crossing with Chad.

The force began advancing north toward Sebha, and last week, the  force took the village of Qatron without a fight. On Sunday, pro-Gadhafi  fighters attacked the advancing rebels, said a resident of the village  and a rebel commander on the ground, Ramadan Al-Alakie.

The rebel fighters repulsed the attack and pressed their advance, both men said.

The retreating Gadhafi forces concentrated in Taraghin, the hometown  of Bashir Salah, Col. Gadhafi’s chief of staff, to block the rebel  advance to Sebha. The rebel force simply went around the town, and on  Monday took control of the tiny village of Umm Al-Aranib, they said.

Now, just 80 miles of empty desert and one tiny village stand between the rebels and Sebha.

Through the first months of the uprising, little information leaked  out from Sebha, where the powerful Magarha and Col. Gadhafi’s own  Gadhadfa tribes, both pillars of his regime, hold sway. It was long  thought that the city was such a fierce bastion of pro-Gadhafi support  that it was all but impregnable.

But in recent weeks, cracks have begun to show in Sebha.

The arrest in May of a small group of high school students who  displayed the rebel independence flag at school angered powerful  families in Sebha, said Khalid Al-Humeida, a Libyan Ph.D. student in  Britain who spent the past 15 years living in Sebha and has friends and  relatives still there.

The students, whose whereabouts remain unknown, hailed from families  with long histories of loyalty to Col. Gadhafi. When family elders  appealed to local security commanders to release their sons or even for  information on their whereabouts, arguing that they were simply  misguided teenagers, they were ignored, said Mr. Humeida.

Activists from Sebha say the city isn’t a pro-Gadhafi bastion  anymore. “Gadhafi’s support in the city is not as strong as people  think,” said Mr. Humeida.

Source: Wall Street Journal

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

15130 Postings, 8470 Tage Pate100groß Offensive in western Mountains

 
  
    #525
28.07.11 10:08
Guma_el_gamaty Guma El-Gamaty
Breaking news Libya heavy fighting now by FF 2 liberate AlGazaya & Tkut towns near Nalut west mountain if FF win they get closer 2 tripoli!
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libyanandproud
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#Nafusa : just to clear things up : FF are attempting to liberate : #Ghazaya #Takut #Bader #Jawsh #Tiji #Mrabakh #Rways ! Pray for #Nafusa
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#Nafusa : Freedom Fighters have liberated #badr on the other front ! #Feb17 #Libya

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