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7149 Postings, 9078 Tage LevkeLangfristinvest TENET HEALTHCARE

 
  
    #1
29.11.02 10:36
       
     

Kursziel EUR 36,00 in den nächsten 3 Monaten  

7149 Postings, 9078 Tage LevkeEnron + Worlcom - Vergleiche

 
  
    #2
29.11.02 10:43
sind hier nur wg. der Umsatzgröße angebracht


Tenet Healthcare kann Erwartungen übertreffen
02.10.2002 15:35:00


  Der amerikanische Krankenhaus-Betreiber Tenet Healthcare Corp. gab am Mittwoch bekannt, dass seine Umsätze im abgelaufenen Quartal angestiegen sind. Das Unternehmen bezieht diese positive Entwicklung hauptsächlich auf durchgeführte Restrukturierungsmaßnahmen und Kostensenkungen.
Der Jahresüberschuss wurde mit 338 Mio. Dollar oder 68 Cents je Aktie ausgewiesen nach 155 Mio. Dollar oder 45 Cents je Aktie im Vorjahreszeitraum. Die Konsensschätzungen der Analysten lagen bei 66 Cents je Aktie.

Die Umsätze stiegen auf 3,7 Mrd. Dollar von 3,3 Mrd. Dollar. Die Aktie notierte zuletzt bei 50,10 Dollar.


 

4402 Postings, 8491 Tage GuidoNaja, die Aktie hat aber auch nen ganz

 
  
    #3
29.11.02 10:47
schönen Einbruch erlebt!!  

10725 Postings, 9134 Tage GruenspanHaben die nicht

 
  
    #4
29.11.02 10:56
Ärzteprobleme?
Waren doch reichlich Patienten nach fragwürdigen OP`s verstorben, glaub ich mal irgendwo in US- Boards gelesen zu haben.
Wäre da wegen mög. Klagen vorsichtig.
Kann mich bezüglich Tenet aber auch irren.
Habe die persönlich nämlich nicht auf Watch.




 

7149 Postings, 9078 Tage LevkeGenau Guido

 
  
    #5
29.11.02 10:57
man muß sich nur fragen warum ?

Es sollen ein paar Ärzte nicht richtig abgerechnet haben.
Der Pressesprecher von Tenet hat angekündigt, daß man eine
genaue Prüfung von neutraler Stelle zulassen wird.

Der Anleger erinnerte sich an Enron und schon ging es abwärts.

 

10365 Postings, 8744 Tage chartgranatewow,levke...

 
  
    #6
29.11.02 10:59
ein klarer Aktientip von Dir und es ist nicht Apple oder Zapf.......da gibt mir ja echt zu denken...bist Du da auch schon drin?  

7149 Postings, 9078 Tage Levkejo charti

 
  
    #7
29.11.02 11:03
mir war heute morgen nach einem Kauf von 200 Stück zumute....

Denke, daß Risiko ist überschaubar.
Sollten sich die Vorwürfe gegen Tenet nicht erhärten, sind
wieder Kurse um die $30,00 drin sind,
ansonsten Stopp-Loss bei EUR 16,00 wieder raus...

Zapf läuft doch super; bei Apple werden es die nächsten Zahlen
richten.
Sieht doch ganz gut aus  

1161 Postings, 8805 Tage Pavian1Tenet Health

 
  
    #8
29.11.02 11:05

42940 Postings, 8709 Tage Dr.UdoBroemmeEs gibt diversde Ermittlungen und Klagen...

 
  
    #9
29.11.02 11:07
Calpers agrees to review Tenet Healthcare
Wednesday November 20, 6:00 pm ET

SACRAMENTO, Calif., Nov 20 (Reuters) - Calpers has agreed to a labor union's request for the U.S. pension giant to review pricing and medical practices at hospital chain Tenet Healthcare Corp, which is under federal investigation, a Calpers spokeswoman said on Wednesday.

The California Public Employees' Retirement System, or Calpers, will hear the concerns of the labor union -- already engaged in a bitter organizing dispute with the nation's No. 2 hospital chain -- at the pension fund's next meeting in December, said pension fund spokeswoman Pat Macht.
Macht said staff would prepare a report for the pension fund's investment committee on the hospital chain which faces a federal audit for its nationwide Medicare billing.

"We read the papers like anyone else," Macht said. "Staff members are checking with the health maintenance organizations about it and what the impact might be on Calpers members."

The Service Employees International Union, which is locked in a battle to organize Tenet hospitals, wants Calpers to look into charges the chain deliberately inflated charges and failed to hold medical staff accountable for the quality of care.

Tenet spokesman Steven Campanini brushed off the union's request to air their grievances before the Calpers board, saying it stemmed from efforts to organize at hospitals across the country.

"It is important their request be viewed in that light," Campanini said. "The company is already reviewing pricing policy as part of a more comprehensive review by senior management."

Calpers contracts with hospitals through its approved health maintenance organizations. For this reason, Macht said she was not sure what sort of action the $128-billion pension fund could take against Tenet.

Even so, the Calpers action comes at a tough time for Tenet, whose stock has nose-dived since October amid a federal audit of its billing and an investigation into two California doctors who allegedly performed unnecessary heart procedures on scores of patients.

Shares of Tenet, which closed on Wednesday at $17.85 on the New York Stock Exchange, have dropped by 64 percent since the start of October.

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7149 Postings, 9078 Tage LevkeDanke Pavian

 
  
    #10
29.11.02 11:08
Ich hatte extra unter dem Forum bei der Aktie nachgesehen,
aber nichts gefunden.

Dann wollen wir mal gemeinsam beobachten, was da auf uns zu kommt.  

7149 Postings, 9078 Tage LevkeAm 04.Dezember sind wir schlauer

 
  
    #11
29.11.02 11:23
reicher oder ärmer

Tenet Management to Make Investor Presentations on December 3 and 4, 2002

SANTA BARBARA, Calif.--(BUSINESS WIRE)--Nov. 26, 2002--Tenet Healthcare Corporation (NYSE:THC) will host presentations on December 3 and 4, 2002, to update investors regarding its review of prior pricing strategies, its future strategies and its expectations for future performance. The presentations will be made by members of Tenet's executive management team: Chairman and Chief Executive Officer Jeffrey C. Barbakow, President Trevor Fetter and Chief Financial Officer Stephen D. Farber. Both presentations will be web cast to all interested parties.

The Tuesday, December 3, web cast and teleconference will begin at 4:00 p.m. EST. All interested parties may access it via either www.americanconferencecenters.com or the Tenet web site, www.tenethealth.com; detailed slides will be available on both sites. Alternatively, interested parties may listen to the presentation by dialing 913/981-5507. A replay of the presentation will be available through December 17 on both web sites and via telephone by dialing 719/457-0820, and referencing pass code #674287. We recommend accessing either web site in order to view the accompanying slide presentation.

On Wednesday, December 4, 2002, the company will give a similar presentation at the Merrill Lynch Health Services Conference at the Waldorf-Astoria Hotel. It will also be web cast live at 2:50 p.m. EST so that any interested parties may participate. To access the audio portion only, please log onto www.twst.com/templates/merrill8/lobby.html. You may also access that web cast from our web site, www.tenethealth.com, where there will be slides to support the presentation material. A replay of this presentation will be available on both sites through December 18.

Tenet Healthcare Corporation, through its subsidiaries, owns and operates 113 acute care hospitals with 27,726 beds and numerous related health care services. Tenet and its subsidiaries employ approximately 114,300 people serving communities in 16 states. Tenet's name reflects its core business philosophy: the importance of shared values among partners -- including employees, physicians, insurers and communities -- in providing a full spectrum of health care. Tenet can be found on the World Wide Web at www.tenethealth.com.

Certain statements in this release may constitute forward-looking statements. They are based on management's current expectations and could be affected by numerous factors and are subject to various risks and uncertainties. Certain of those risks and uncertainties are discussed in the Company's filings with the Securities and Exchange Commission, including the Company's annual report on Form 10-K and quarterly reports on Form 10-Q. Do not rely on any forward-looking statement, as we cannot predict or control many of the factors that ultimately may affect our ability to achieve the results estimated. We make no promise to update any forward-looking statement, whether as a result of changes in underlying factors, new information, future events or otherwise.

 

10365 Postings, 8744 Tage chartgranatesag mal

 
  
    #12
29.11.02 11:43
kuck ich da in der falschen Übersicht,oder ist der Wert nicht brutal markteng vom Volumen her?? Kriegt man 2oo Stück denn dan auch wieder problemlos rausverkauft??  

7149 Postings, 9078 Tage Levkekein Thema

 
  
    #13
29.11.02 11:51
ist halt ein Amiwert, der bei uns nicht so sehr unter Beobachtung steht;
die Umsätze in den USA sind gigantisch.
steigende Volumen sind immer nach Eröffnung der US-Börsen zu sehen,
bzw. dann kommt der Kurs in Fahrt.
Ich habe meine 200 heute morgen sofort bekommen.

Spielst Du etwa mit dem Gedanken, einzusteigen ?

Dann muß ich die Lottozahlen-Ansagerin bemühen:
ANGABEN OHNE GEWÄHR  

1161 Postings, 8805 Tage Pavian1Handel ist ausreichend liquide in Deutschland

 
  
    #14
29.11.02 12:09
Tenet ist ja auch keine Klitsche, sondern immerhin der zweitgrößte Klinik- und Sanatorienbetreiber der USA (nach HCA)

Hier nochmal die Meldung im Barrons:

Das bekannte US-Anlegermagazin Barron's bezeichnet Tenet Healthcare in der aktuellen Ausgabe als "unglaublich günstig." Der Hedge Funds Manager Charles Jobson von Charles Jobson, dessen Fonds seit Jahresanfang 25.5% im Plus liegt, kaufte die Aktien von Tenet erstmals bei $28 und kaufte dann aggressiv zwischen $14-15 nach.

"Wie schlimm es auch werden könnte, es wird nicht so schlimm werden, wie dies der Aktienkurs vermuten lassen könnte. Die Aktie ist unglaublich günstig," sagt er. Jobson zeigt sich darüber hinaus bullish den Aktien von PacifiCare gegenüber. Das Unternehmen sei ein "Turnaround Play," sagt er.

Grüße
Pavian  

4691 Postings, 8555 Tage calexaNur ein Hinweis

 
  
    #15
29.11.02 12:42
Tenet ist nicht sonderlich liquide in Deutschland. Wenn, dann sollte man in Amerika ordern.

So long,
Calexa
www.investorweb.de  

10365 Postings, 8744 Tage chartgranate@levke

 
  
    #16
29.11.02 19:52
Du weisst natürlich....... wenn ich das Ding kaufe ist es ERLEDIGT...... :-)  

7149 Postings, 9078 Tage Levkeoweia charti

 
  
    #17
29.11.02 20:26
Diese Tatsache, bewiesen und belegbar, hatte ich ganz vergessen.

Also, bitte nicht einsteigen....weisst du.......wenn ich so darüber
nachdenke ist Tenet auch nichts...

Happy weekend  

7149 Postings, 9078 Tage Levkecharti - ich sehe gerade 300 Stück in Frankfurt

 
  
    #18
02.12.02 14:07
Da die 300 ja Deine Nummer ist, frage ich mich besorgt, ob
Du dabei bist ?  

10365 Postings, 8744 Tage chartgranatenoch nicht,hehehehe

 
  
    #19
03.12.02 10:06
aber ich denke,daß ich heute zuschlage und Dich damit mit ins Verderben reissen werde...
Du hattest übrigens gar nichts auf meine klaren Ausführungen in Deinem Glückwunsch-Thread der zigmillionen Postings erwiedert.....schweigende Zustimmung in Verbindung mit devoten Beserungsgedanken und stummem Flehen um Vergebung.....brav brav....  

10637 Postings, 9023 Tage Ramses IITenet Healthcare Upgrade

 
  
    #20
03.12.02 10:18
03.12.2002
Tenet Healthcare Upgrade
SunTrust Robinson Humphrey
 
Rating-Update:

Die Analysten von Sun Trust Robinson Humphrey stufen die Aktie von Tenet Healthcare (WKN 858003) von "underperform" auf "neutral" herauf.


 

4691 Postings, 8555 Tage calexaIch habe mal ein paar am Freitag

 
  
    #21
03.12.02 15:14
geordert.

Aber bei diesem Papier sollte man die Risiken gut abwägen, denn der Ausgang der Klagen ist in keinster Weise absehbar.

Auf der anderen Seite kann ich mir nicht vorstellen, daß in Amerika ein so großer Krankenhausbetreiber vor die Hunde gehen wird....

So long,
Calexa
www.investorweb.de  

7149 Postings, 9078 Tage Levkenews

 
  
    #22
03.12.02 21:24
Hey tom68, charti und calexa:
Irgendetwas kommt mir hier komisch vor:

Shareholders Pursue Stock Fraud Suit Against Tenet Healthcare Corporation, Berman DeValerio Pease Tabacco Burt & Pucillo Says -- THC

LOS ANGELES, Dec. 3, 2002 (PRIMEZONE) -- Tenet Healthcare Corporation (NYSE:THC) is the subject of a securities class action accusing the for-profit hospital chain of defrauding its investors, Berman DeValerio Pease Tabacco Burt & Pucillo said today.

The lawsuit was filed November 14, 2002 in the U.S. District Court for the Central District of California. It seeks damages for violations of federal securities laws on behalf of all investors who bought Tenet securities from October 3, 2001 through October 31, 2002 (the Class Period).

Berman DeValerio has represented investors in class actions for 20 years. To review the complaint and learn more about becoming a lead plaintiff, please visit the firm's website at www.bermanesq.com.

The lawsuit claims that Tenet artificially inflated its financial results by using aggressive pricing tactics to over-bill Medicare.

Investors began to learn the truth about Tenet on October 28, 2002 when a UBS Warburg analyst revealed that the company was far more dependent than other hospitals on Medicare outlier payments, and that those payments had tripled over 3 years to total nearly a quarter of Tenet's projected revenue for this fiscal year. Outlier payments are reimbursements made from Medicare when patient care exceeds the normal cost.

Then, on October 31, 2002, news broke that the FBI was investigating two doctors at Tenet's Redding Medical Center in California for allegedly performing many unnecessary heart surgeries and billing Medicare for them, thus artificially boosting the hospital's revenue and profits. According to the news articles, the two doctors had performed these unnecessary and invasive procedures on as many as 25 to 50 percent of their patients since at least 1995. Three other doctors associated with Tenet had concluded that many of the procedures were "medically unnecessary," but Tenet refused to investigate or stop the practice after hearing of the complaints, according to the lawsuit.

As a result of these revelations, Tenet's stock price has dropped from an all-time high of $52.50 per share on Oct. 3, 2002 to around $15 per share today, erasing a staggering $11 billion in market value.

Ich glaube, wir müssen hier nochmal telefonieren, tom

@charti - sorry, wollte mich auch gemeldet haben,
aber Du hast natürlich meine Zustimmung..))  

42940 Postings, 8709 Tage Dr.UdoBroemmeProfits Will Fall Short...

 
  
    #23
03.12.02 23:50
Upps - Gewinnwarnung gleich mit für 2004

Reuters
Tenet Healthcare: Profits Will Fall Short
Tuesday December 3, 5:26 pm ET

LOS ANGELES (Reuters) - Embattled hospital operator Tenet Healthcare Corp.
(NYSE:THC - News), warned on Tuesday that its fiscal 2003 and 2004 profits
will fall short of expectations due to lower insurance reimbursements.

                                       Tenet, reeling after two of its
                                       doctors were accused of
                                       excessive surgeries and under
                                       the shadow of a U.S. government
                                       probe into pricing at its hospitals,
                                       spelled out the new forecasts in a
                                       call with investors.

                                       Jeffrey Barbakow, chief executive
                                       officer of the No. 2 hospital chain,
                                       said he was working on "what
                                       went wrong (at Tenet) and how I
                                       failed to see it."

                                       For the fiscal year ending in May,
                                       Tenet said it expects to earn
$2.38 to $2.78 per share, short of its estimate last month for a profit of at least
$2.93 per share.

For fiscal 2004, Tenet sees a "base case" EPS of $2.00 per share, well below
the average Wall Street estimate of $2.93, according to market research firm
Thomson First Call.

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7149 Postings, 9078 Tage LevkeJetzt kommt es drauf an

 
  
    #24
04.12.02 09:51
Wieviel wird Tenet heute verlieren ?

Rechtfertigen $2,38 pro Aktie Gewinn einen Kurs um die $20,00
oder gibt die Gewinnwarnung der Aktie den Rest.

Werde heute entscheiden, ob ich drin bleibe oder rausgehe;
irgendwie gruselt es mich allmählich, zu dem gestern 4 oder
5 Meldungen kamen, daß Altaktionäre verkauft haben.  

7149 Postings, 9078 Tage Levkealso

 
  
    #25
04.12.02 09:59
Federal Government Announces Crackdown on Hospital Overcharging

Associated Press
WASHINGTON -- The government is cracking down on abusive billing practices by hospitals, the Centers for Medicare and Medicaid Services said Tuesday.

The new initiative deals with federal "outlier" payments, with which the government reimburses hospitals for expenses above what Medicare pays for certain conditions, such as heart surgeries. Allegations have arisen in recent months that hospitals may have used the payments to overcharge Medicare.

Under the initiative announced Tuesday, hospitals that are receiving large portions of their revenue through "outlier" payments will be more likely to have their charges reviewed and audited.

"We will carefully scrutinize any billing trends or other indications or inappropriate reimbursement," Medicare administrator Tom Scully said. "Any hospital billing very high outlier rates better be absolutely sure that they are right, or they are likely to be very sorry."

Already, the government is investigating Santa Barbara, Calif.-based Tenet Healthcare (THC), the nation's second-largest private hospital chain, because of misgivings about its pricing policies. The company, which saw its "outlier" payments double from $351 million in 2000 to $763 million in 2002, has said it outpaces the national average for "outlier" payments because many of its hospitals have costlier open heart surgery and teaching programs.

The government currently is reviewing "outlier" policy to make overbilling more difficult.



 

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