Kursverdoppelung bei Actua Corporation (vorm. Internet Capital)
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Let us look on the fundamentals, last published in the third-quarter-report: "In the third quarter of 2007, aggregate pro forma revenue of ICG’s eight core companies grew 35% year-over-year, to $61.9 million from $45.8 million in the third quarter of 2006." I believe, this pace of growth will continue, maybe it is little bit higher, because there are additional aquisitions, for example in the fourth quarter two from Metastorm and an aqusistion from Whitefence. In the result we will see an growth from quarter to quarter of about 8%-9%.
The ownership on this 8 companies is in the average 45%, this was in the 3. quarter proportional revenues of about 27.9 million. Additional we must look at the proportional revenues from the non-core-companies. I believe, it is enough, when we look at the three biggest companies: Creditex, Emptoris and Anthem Venture. The revenues of Creditex was about 200 million in 2007 and the revenues of Emptoris was about 160 million in 2007. By an ownership of 15% on Creditex, that are propoortional revenues of 30 million fromm creditex. By an ownership of 5% on Emptoris, that are proportional revenues of 8 million. That are from both companies 38 million in the year or 9.5 million in ar quarter. If we add this 9.5 million to the 27.9 million from the eight core-companies, the result is 37.4 million. Difficult is an estimate by Anthem Venture, an incubator like Internet Capital. My estimafte is, that the proportional revenues of the partner-companies of Anthem Venture are equal the proportional revenues of Internet Capital. Ínternet Capital owns 9% of Anthem Venture - and therefore I add 9% to 37.4 million = 40.8 million.
In the result, we had proportional revenues from all partner companies of Internet Capital of about 40.8 million in the third quarter 2007. The growth-rate will be between 8% and 9% from quarter to quarter, I took 8.5%. That will generate the following proportional revenues in the next five quarters:
4. quarter 2007 = 44.3 million
1. quarter 2008 = 48 million
2. quarter 2008 = 52.1 million
3. quarter 2008 = 56.5 million
4. quarter 2008 = 61.3 million.
Now we can add the four quarter of 2008 = 217.9 million - that my estimate of the proportional revenues of Internet Capital partner companies for 2008. Average in multiples for tech-stocks in the S+P500 is between 5 and 6, therefore I took 5.5. Worth of private hold companies by 217.9 million proportional revenues and a multiple of 5.5 = 1,198 million. Than we must add 180 million cash/securites and we must not subtract debts, because Internet Capital is since more than a year debt-free: 1,198 million + 180 million = 1,378 million. If we divide this fair value of 1,378 million through the number of outstanding shares of 39 million = a fair value of any share of near $31.
Compare with the market-cap and the share-price of today.
November 13, 2007 8:25 AM EST
ThinkEquity Partners initiates coverage on Internet Capital Group (NASDAQ: ICGE) with a Buy rating and $18 price target.
Internet Capital Group owns and builds Internet software and services companies.
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Re: Latest Rating 2-Jan-08 09:46 am You know, that Flankenking has a higher price-target than ThinkEquity: $30. But I believe, analysts of an invesment-house can't make an higher increase than 50% - and therefore the rating of ThinkEquity is a good first step.
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Mail to SEC about the criminal practice of Buckley 2-Jan-08 01:31 pm Most criminal practice of Buckley, that he had forbidden the management of ICGCommerce with the press to hide the good fundamals of Internet Capital.
Look for example at this side
http://www.icgcommerce.com/corporate/doc...
and you will see, last information about ICGCommerce in the press is a year old. In former times, you could read every month 1-2 arcticles about ICGCommerce. But on the other side, a lot of very positive things had happend last year by ICGCommerce - for example, when you compare with the press-releases. Buckely knows, that only few investors read the press-releases, but a lot articles about ICGCommerce in newspapers. And therefore he had stopped all contact with the press.
My advice: Mail to the SEC about the criminal practice of Buckley to manipulate the share-price with hidden informations.
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Re: Mail to SEC about the criminal practice of Buckley 2-Jan-08 01:43 pm I believe, some weeks ago, Buckley give the order to all partner companies to hide good news for a times, because he want to help the shortsellers to cover the first portion of the about 4 million official shorted shares and the great number shorted shares, which are not part of the numbers (this shortselling is criminal and not legal hidden, but there exist not any control of SEC by criminal shorters and the criminal brokers, who heip),
My advice: Buy during the times, where Buckley want to help the legal and not legal shortsellers.
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Re: Mail to SEC about the criminal practice of Buckley 2-Jan-08 01:49 pm I had spoken which a lot of specialists about not legal shortselling. They all told me, that the SEC does only need a very simple software, to indentify the criminals. But the SEC don't want to use such a software (or make any other control), because don't want to catch the criminals.
My advice: Mail to your congressman, and ask him, what he had done in the last year about this criminals. Take the example Internet Capital and use the numbers.
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Re: Mail to SEC about the criminal practice of Buckley 2-Jan-08 03:50 pm I just had mailed this thread to:
www.enforcement@sec.gov
You can do the same.
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Re: Mail to SEC about the criminal practice of Buckley 2-Jan-08 03:57 pm I hope the SEC will look at criminal activites in after-market-trading, for example that the sellers of today bought back the shares from their "partners" - criminal actions we had seen over years, but there was not any reaction of the SEC.
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Re: Mail to SEC about the criminal practice of Buckley 2-Jan-08 04:22 pm When you look at the last pricing, you can see, that the market-maker is working together with manipulators, maybe he is head of the manipultator - but the SEC is sleeping since years.
INTERNET CAP GRP INC (NasdaqGM:ICGE)
Last Trade: 11.14
Trade Time: 4:00PM ET
Change: 0.60 (5.11%)
Prev Close: 11.74
Open: 11.70
Bid: 11.16 x 100
Ask: 11.21 x 100
1y Target Est: 16.25
Day's Range: 11.13 - 11.82
52wk Range: 9.81 - 13.94
Volume: 207,085
Avg Vol (3m): 187,166
Market Cap: 437.86M
P/E (ttm): N/A
EPS (ttm): -0.34
Div & Yield: N/A (N/A)
We had at the end a bis/ask of 11.16/11.19, but the market-maker produced a end-price of 11.14. I believe, that criminal action we had often seen in the last years. It is time that the market-maker will change.
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Re: Mail to SEC about the criminal practice of Buckley 2-Jan-08 04:25 pm The reason for this criminal manipulation of the market-maker is simple: He works together with his best client, who produced the hightest provisions: legal and not legal shortsellers. You see, every criminal acting is allowed, because the SEC is sleeping.
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Bei Yahoo geht das dadurch, dass man einem Beitrag ein Ein-Stern-Rating verpasst, wodurch der Beitrag in der von Yahoo vorgegebenen Normaleinstellung verschwindet. Man muss dann als User erst die Einstellung ändern, um das Posting zu sehen. Erst wenn weitere Poster dieses Rating durch ihre Ratings ergänzen, kann auch in der vorgebenen Normaleinstellung der Beitrag wieder gelesen werden.
Nun könnte ich mir z.B. eine zweite ID bei Yahoo besorgen und durch ein Rating des Kickerkie schreienden Manipulateurs wieder aufheben - ich habe aber nicht vor mir auf eine derartige kindische Stufe zu begeben.
Wundert Euch (wie einem Email an mich geschehen) also nicht, wenn ihr bei Yahoo zu Internet Capital in der letzten Zeit keine Postings findet. Die sind da, aber dazu müsste Ihr Eure Einstellung auf 1 Rating + Unrated ändern.
Schau Dir 722670 Sues Mirco an.
So sollte es auch bei Internet Cap. abgehen, tut es nur nicht.
ICGE ist doch langweilig und zu träge !
Dieser Wert kotzt mich langsam an.
Von wegen über 90% in festen Händen.
Und wo bleibt der Hype ???
Die shorten ICGE immer weiter, ohne Ende.
Nur die Inflation ist schneller als ICGE :-)
Ob das mit dem stetigem, langsamen Anstieg (in Euro abgerechnet waren das in 2006 und 2007 jeweils "nur" knapp 15% so bleibt? Ich meine nein, denn in 2006 und 2007 lag nach Linkshare-Verkauf in 2005 keine größere Monetarisierung einer Beteiligung vor. Das wird sich in 2008 ändern, denn von den für 2007/2008 angekündigten 3-4 Monetarisierungen bei den Kernbeteiligungen + Creditex ist 2007 nur eine, dazu die kleinstmögliche (Marketron) gelaufen. Metastorm hatte seinen IPO für Mitte 2008 angekündigt und mindestens noch eine Monetarisierung kommt hinzu, wobei dabei Creditex, Starcite und ICGCommerce auf der Ankündigungslister standen. Freeborders war zwar erst als danach vorgesehen angekündigt, aber nachdem jetzt der erste chinesische IT-Outsourcer über einen IPO auf dem Markt ist (nicht überschäumend, aber auch nicht schlecht), könnte es auch bei Freeborders nicht erst nach 2008, sondern schon in 2008 losgehen.
Wer schlau ist, geht noch heute rein, denn ich bin der Auffassung, dass es so kommen wird, wie das Thomas Grüner auf ariva zusammengefasst hat:
"Fazit
Die Geschichte scheint sich - wie in meinem Vergleich 1997 vs. 2007 - erneut zu wiederholen. Das Jahr 2008 beginnt sehr ähnlich wie 1998. Auch damals hat der DAX eine schwache Entwicklung "angetäuscht", um anschließend regelrecht zu explodieren. Die Parallelen drängen sich auf. Die Angst steigt begleitend an. Eine gute Mischung zur Vorbereitung für eine heftige Rallye. Analysieren Sie nüchtern die aktuelle Situation."
"Drei Schritte zurück, zwei nach vorn"
ist einfach zu köstlich! Danke Libuda für diese Aussage
What does a market-cap only 424 million mean?
If we subtract the 180 million cash/securities from the 424 million market-cap, there are only 244 million for the ownership of the 10 biggest private hold companies of Internet Capital: 65 of ICGCommerce, 26% of Starcite, 15% of Creditex, 32% of Metastorm, 33% of Freeborders, 46% of Vcommerce, 5% of Emptoris, 41% of Channelintelligence, 35% of Whitefence and 9% of Anthem Venture.
244 million: that are only 35 million for each ownership ( all together = 175 million) of the BIG FIVE: 65% of ICGCommerce, 33% of Freeborders, 26% of Starcite, 15% of Creditex and 32% of Metastorm. But every ownership in a company of the BIG Five has in the average a worth of 130-150 million.
304 million: that are only 14 million for each ownership ( all together = 69 million) of the NEXT FIVE:
46% of Vcommerce, 9% of Anthem Venture, 35% of Whitefence, 5% of Emptoris and 41% of Channelintelligence. But every ownership in a company of the NEXT FIVE Five has in the average a worth of 30-35 million.
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Re: Alternative 5-Jan-08 07:06 am Take a look at the instituionals, who owns 90%:
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Total Shares Out Standing (millions): 39
Market Capitalization ($ millions): $415
Institutional Ownership: 89.7%
Price (as of 1/4/2008) 10.74
Ownership Analysis # Of Holders Shares
Total Shares Held: 102 34,660,119
New Positions: 11 257,038
Increased Positions: 43 1,808,059
Decreased Positions: 35 2,953,144
Holders With Activity: 78 4,761,203
Sold Out Positions: 8 356,760
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Owner Name Select a name below for more information. Date Shares Held Change(Shares) % Change(Shares) Value($1000)
FMR LLC 9/30/2007 3,850,000 (1,070,196) (21.75%) $41,349
CAPITAL RESEARCH & M... 9/30/2007 3,400,000 200,000 6.25% $36,516
DIMENSIONAL FUND ADV... 9/30/2007 3,277,750 11,200 0.34% $35,203
GENDELL JEFFREY L 9/30/2007 3,262,780 0 0.00% $35,042
MASON CAPITAL MANAGE... 9/30/2007 2,304,164 0 0.00% $24,747
BARCLAYS GLOBAL INVE... 9/30/2007 1,586,056 - - $17,034
SCHNEIDER CAPITAL MA... 9/30/2007 1,567,892 1,550 0.10% $16,839
BARCLAYS GLOBAL INVE... 6/30/2007 1,547,994 (1,468) (0.09%) $16,625
EMERALD ADVISERS INC... 9/30/2007 1,545,802 37,800 2.51% $16,602
COLUMBIA PARTNERS L ... 9/30/2007 1,501,238 119,911 8.68% $16,123
PEQUOT CAPITAL MANAG... 9/30/2007 1,159,100 (221,400) (16.04%) $12,449
KINGDON CAPITAL MANA... 9/30/2007 918,300 293,300 46.93% $9,863
BANK OF NEW YORK MEL... 9/30/2007 883,077 (88,115) (9.07%) $9,484
EAGLE ASSET MANAGEME... 9/30/2007 819,605 136,765 20.03% $8,803
STATE STREET CORP 9/30/2007 590,242 (15,586) (2.57%) $6,339
VANGUARD GROUP INC 9/30/2007 553,751 2,932 0.53% $5,947
TCW GROUP INC 9/30/2007 476,616 (17,600) (3.56%) $5,119
ENGEMANN ASSET MANAG... 9/30/2007 439,080 (36,658) (7.71%) $4,716
EMERALD MUTUAL FUND ... 9/30/2007 363,492 (7,400) (2.00%) $3,904
MARSHALL & ILSLEY CO... 9/30/2007 344,755 217,944 171.87% $3,703
NORTHERN TRUST CORP 9/30/2007 308,596 11,310 3.80% $3,314
BRUCE & CO., INC. 9/30/2007 268,300 0 0.00% $2,882
TIAA CREF INVESTMENT... 9/30/2007 260,837 0 0.00% $2,801
INVESCO LTD. 9/30/2007 230,841 (26,510) (10.30%) $2,479
POTOMAC CAPITAL MANA... 9/30/2007 202,015 106,466 111.43% $2,170
IRON HORSE CAPITAL M... 9/30/2007 201,775 65,200 47.74% $2,167
GAGNON SECURITIES LL... 9/30/2007 193,583 41,605 27.38% $2,079
D. E. SHAW & CO., IN... 9/30/2007 173,835 52,857 43.69% $1,867
LEHMAN BROTHERS HOLD... 9/30/2007 172,736 172,736 New $1,855
STRS OHIO 9/30/2007 154,100 44,800 40.99% $1,655
GOLDMAN SACHS GROUP ... 9/30/2007 151,848 21,453 16.45% $1,631
CREDIT SUISSE 9/30/2007 146,212 (258) (0.18%) $1,570
OLD LANE, LP 9/30/2007 112,900 1,000 0.89% $1,213
COMMONWEALTH OF PENN... 9/30/2007 111,600 0 0.00% $1,199
VIRGINIA RETIREMENT ... 9/30/2007 92,600 (1,900) (2.01%) $995
PHOCAS FINANCIAL COR... 9/30/2007 88,316 29,568 50.33% $949
BLACKROCK INVESTMENT... 9/30/2007 85,577 (2,089) (2.38%) $919
LOS ANGELES CAPITAL ... 9/30/2007 82,218 81,018 >1,000.00% $883
GEODE CAPITAL MANAGE... 9/30/2007 81,978 (296) (0.36%) $880
CONESTOGA CAPITAL AD... 9/30/2007 79,967 1,100 1.39% $859
MORGAN STANLEY 9/30/2007 76,963 (280,749) (78.48%) $827
NORTHERN TRUST CO OF... 9/30/2007 75,950 (3,475) (4.38%) $816
CREDIT SUISSE/ 9/30/2007 75,461 51,907 220.37% $810
PRUDENTIAL FINANCIAL... 9/30/2007 61,800 0 0.00% $664
PUBLIC EMPLOYEES RET... 9/30/2007 61,670 4,579 8.02% $662
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Re: Alternative 5-Jan-08 06:09 pm My advice: Go to every of this 10 named private hold most important companies:
www.icgcommerce.com
Internet Capital owns 65% of ICGCommerce.
www.freeborders.com
Internet Capital owns 33% of Freeborders.
www.starcite.com
Internet Capital owns 26% of Starcite.
www.metastorm.com
Internet Capital owns 32% of Metstorm
www.creditex.com
Internet Capital owns 15% of Creditex.
www.anthemvp.com
Internet Capital owns 9% of Anthem Venture.
www.channelintelligence.com
Internet Capital owns 41% of Channelintelligence.
www.whitefence.com
Internet Capital owns 35% of Whitefence.
www.vcommerce.com
Internet Capital owns 46% of VCommerce.
www.emptoris.com
Internet Capital wons 5% of Emptoris.
And additional to the two public companies:
www.blackboard.com
Internet Capital owns 2.2 million shares of Blackboard.
www.goindustry.com
Internet Capital owns 70 million shares of GoIndustry.
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Re: Alternative 3 second(s) ago An investment is a low-risk-invemstment, because Internet Capital is debt-free (in opposite to earlier times) and has 185 million cash/securitites by a market-cap of only 415 million. But because it is small company, the percentage of Internet Capital-share in your portfolio should not be higher than 3%-5%.
But I believe, you should hurry with a buy, because a short-squezze is near. Additional to the 90% institutional holding we have a shortselling-rate of near 10% of the outstanding shares. This is a explosive mixture, I never had seen.
Fakt ist: Nach der Eröffung in den USA wird es viel teurer, denn ich schließe heute einen zumindest kleine Short-Squezze nicht aus.
Der hat vier Stunden gebraucht, um einen von mir bei 7,06 limitierten Kaufaufrag über 500 Stück auszuführen - gestellt waren 6,60/7,10. Dagegen wäre nichts einzuwenden, wenn er nicht unmittelbar zuvor einen Auftrag über 250 Stück ausgeführt hätte. Nun werdet Ihr einwenden, dass da ein Käufer und ein Verkäufer mit jeweils 250 Stück zu 6,80 da waren. Wenn das so war und nicht der Skontrenführer verkauft hat, sollte sich die Wertpapierüberwachungsstelle einmal mit den beiden Kontrahenten genauer befassen, ob da nicht Durchhandeln vorlag (Käufer und Verkäufer waren identisch), um niedrige Kurse zu produzieren und die Anleger zur falschen Limitierung zu verleiten. Wenn der Skontrenführer verkaufte hat, sollte sich die Wertpapierüberwachungsstellen einmal mit dem Burschen beschäftigen und ihn fragen, warum er so gern zu 6,80 verkauft und so ungern zu 7.06.
Das Teil will keiner bei uns kaufen.
Verstehst Du das nicht ?
Metropolis hat Recht ! Jetzt gibt es kein Halten mehr.
Rette sich wer kann !
Raus aus ICGE !!!!!!!!!!!!
Dass das allerdings weniger als 1% des Höchstkurses von $4.280 sind, als Metropolis und andere Lemminge des Weltuntergangs Aktien wie Internet Capital und Commerce One gekauft haben, ist auch klar. Aber das interessiert jemand, der für $3.40 oder $6.80 gekauft hat, einen feuchten Kehrricht, wenn er seinen Einsatz bei etwas über $30 verzehnfacht oder verfünffacht hat. Die meisten Frustierten, die hier posten, stammen von der ehemaligen Commerce One-Gang, die auf allen deutschen Boards präsent waren und die ihr Vermögen restlos verjubelt haben, da von Commerce One im Gegensatz zur jetzt schuldenfreien Internet Capital nichts, aber auch gar nichts übrig blieb.
Aber wir können Ihn ja einmal testen: Was ist an der folgende Analyse faul?
Let us look on the fundamentals, last published in the third-quarter-report: "In the third quarter of 2007, aggregate pro forma revenue of ICG’s eight core companies grew 35% year-over-year, to $61.9 million from $45.8 million in the third quarter of 2006." I believe, this pace of growth will continue, maybe it is little bit higher, because there are additional aquisitions, for example in the fourth quarter two from Metastorm and an aqusistion from Whitefence. In the result we will see an growth from quarter to quarter of about 8%-9%.
The ownership on this 8 companies is in the average 45%, this was in the 3. quarter proportional revenues of about 27.9 million. Additional we must look at the proportional revenues from the non-core-companies. I believe, it is enough, when we look at the three biggest companies: Creditex, Emptoris and Anthem Venture. The revenues of Creditex was about 200 million in 2007 and the revenues of Emptoris was about 160 million in 2007. By an ownership of 15% on Creditex, that are propoortional revenues of 30 million fromm creditex. By an ownership of 5% on Emptoris, that are proportional revenues of 8 million. That are from both companies 38 million in the year or 9.5 million in ar quarter. If we add this 9.5 million to the 27.9 million from the eight core-companies, the result is 37.4 million. Difficult is an estimate by Anthem Venture, an incubator like Internet Capital. My estimafte is, that the proportional revenues of the partner-companies of Anthem Venture are equal the proportional revenues of Internet Capital. Ínternet Capital owns 9% of Anthem Venture - and therefore I add 9% to 37.4 million = 40.8 million.
In the result, we had proportional revenues from all partner companies of Internet Capital of about 40.8 million in the third quarter 2007. The growth-rate will be between 8% and 9% from quarter to quarter, I took 8.5%. That will generate the following proportional revenues in the next five quarters:
4. quarter 2007 = 44.3 million
1. quarter 2008 = 48 million
2. quarter 2008 = 52.1 million
3. quarter 2008 = 56.5 million
4. quarter 2008 = 61.3 million.
Now we can add the four quarter of 2008 = 217.9 million - that my estimate of the proportional revenues of Internet Capital partner companies for 2008. Average in multiples for tech-stocks in the S+P500 is between 5 and 6, therefore I took 5.5. Worth of private hold companies by 217.9 million proportional revenues and a multiple of 5.5 = 1,198 million. Than we must add 180 million cash/securites and we must not subtract debts, because Internet Capital is since more than a year debt-free: 1,198 million + 180 million = 1,378 million. If we divide this fair value of 1,378 million through the number of outstanding shares of 39 million = a fair value of any share of near $31.
Compare with the market-cap and the share-price of today.
Ich bezweifel ja nicht Deine Bemühungen der Allgemeinheit zu wiederlegen, das ICGE fundamntal absolut gesund ist aussichtsreich ist.
Doch nicht nur ICGE fällt, die Märkte laufen momentan alles andere als gut und das nervt halt Investoren wie mich, die langfristig anlegen.
Ist immer scheiße, wenn der Kurs fällt.
Wie weit mag das noch gehen ?
Was mich bei ICGE stört ist, das die Jungs nichts machen.
News oder positive Meldungen werden anscheinend unterdrückt oder nicht preis gegeben.
Mal schaun, wie sich ICGE im laufe des Jahres entwickelt.
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