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3374 Postings, 9155 Tage PieterAlso Krieg. Ami's rundern im Sicherheitsrat zurück

 
  
    #1
13.03.03 21:58
Da sie keine Chance mehr sehen, für ihren Ermächtigungsbeschluss zum Krieg eine Mehrheit zu bekommen, rudern sie zurück, verzichten auf eine Abstimmung über eine 2.te Resulation. Der Krieg wird also ohne Zustimmung der UN erfolgen und das sicherlich bald. Und das bedeutet, zukünftig herscht auf der Welt nur noch ein Recht, das des militärisch Stärkeren.

kann nur sagen, verkaufen, und zwar sofort.
Pieter  
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79561 Postings, 9201 Tage Kickysieht so aus,als ob France in letzter Minute

 
  
    #7
13.03.03 22:35
doch noch auf den britischen Vorschlag eingehen will und USA dafür vielleicht noch ne Woche zugibt,aber das war das neueste was ich finden konnte,auuser vielleicht dies hier:
http://www.n-tv.de/3145816.html   auf deutsch!
der britische Vorschlag sieht ja wohl differenzierte Abrüstungsschritte vor inclusive der Forderung, dass Saddam Hussein öffentlich im Fernsehen totale Abrüstung verspricht...  

3374 Postings, 9155 Tage PieterUP, bevor nix sonst mehr kommt, bei Ariva o. T.

 
  
    #8
13.03.03 23:01

79561 Postings, 9201 Tage KickyTreffen Bush,Blair,Aznar ?

 
  
    #9
14.03.03 13:50

20687 Postings, 9167 Tage preisfuchskicky warum bist du nicht dabei? o. T.

 
  
    #10
14.03.03 13:55

79561 Postings, 9201 Tage KickyTimes,BBC,Guardian...Krise in England?

 
  
    #11
14.03.03 14:17
http://news.independent.co.uk/world/politics/story.jsp?story=387059
Negotiations at the United Nations are now expected to continue over the weekend, but all the signs are that diplomacy is fast running out of steam.
Germany again repeated its opposition to conflict today. Chancellor Gerhard Schroeder told the Bundestag: "We must have the courage to fight for peace as long as there is a scrap of hope that a war can be avoided.
"Together with our French friends, with Russia and China, we are more than ever convinced that Iraq's disarmament can and must be achieved by peaceful means."
Frantic telephone diplomacy was expected to continue today with Foreign Secretary Jack Straw and Mr Blair speaking to more colleagues across the world.
Chancellor of the Exchequer Gordon Brown insisted last night that a resolution could still be secured, telling BBC2's Newsnight: "I think that even now, over these next few days, it is possible, through the discussions that we are having, for us to reach an agreement that has eluded us so far at the UN."
But in a reflection of continuing unease within Labour's own ranks,leading rebel MP Alice Mahon today repeated her call for the Government to publish the advice it had received on the legality of war without a fresh UN resolution.
"These are extremely special circumstances. It is clear the country is split down the middle about whether we should go to war," she told BBC Radio 4's Today programme.
"I just think we have a right to know before we commit our servicemen and women into what could be an illegal war."
Shadow attorney general Bill Cash said he had put down a Parliamentary question on the issue.
"It is a question to the Prime Minister. I put it down on Tuesday and it asks whether the Prime Minister will disclose the legal basis on which military action in Iraq would be justified," Mr Cash told Today.
"It is certainly true to say it is not normal for the Attorney General's advice to be made available.
"But there are special circumstances and, indeed, there are quite a lot of precedents."
Mr Cash said there had been rumours that the Attorney General Lord Goldsmith disagreed with the Government over the legality of military action.
"I can't say I know that at all but, of course, if the Attorney General does agree with the Prime Minister, then in these very special and important circumstances, in order to clarify the position, I don't see any reason why the Prime Minister shouldn't make the Attorney General's advice available," he said.
"Of course, if the Attorney General did not agree with the Prime Minister, we would be in a very serious constitutional crisis."

The US, UK and Spain need a minimum of nine votes in the 15-member Security Council for the resolution to be approved.
But with France threatening to use its veto, none of the six key undecided nations on the Council has so far been won over.
Indeed, one of the six, Chile, appears to have hardened its stance
. Chilean Foreign Minister Soledad Alvear said her government could not support the resolution as it stands.

The White House spokesman, Ari Fleischer, declared "the end is coming into sight" as more than 250,000 US and British troops in the region carried out final preparations for an invasion. B-2 Stealth bombers, likely to carry out the first raids of the campaign, left their Missouri bases yesterday.
Hopes, too were fading last night for Britain's resolution after the crucial six undecided nations questioned whether the relatively short deadlines outlined in the proposal were realistic or only an excuse for war.
"The British proposal is not still at the point at which ... it satisfies our concerns," said Chilean ambassador Gabriel Valdes.
Britain's United Nations ambassador, Jeremy Greenstock, met the crucial six undecided nations in a private meeting in an attempt to salvage a compromise.
...But Mr de Villepin reiterated that Paris will not cross its red line: any second resolution must not contain an ultimatum that could lead to military action against Iraq. That was not reasonable, he insisted.
In an attempt to woo Russia and the six swing states on the security council Mr Straw had earlier dropped the demand that Saddam state on Arabic TV that he would disarm. But he would still have to make a statement admitting his guilt.
..The prime minister's problems over Iraq grew yesterday as Robin Cook, the leader of the Commons, indicated to colleagues he may quit the cabinet if Britain goes to war against Iraq without a new UN resolution......    His remarks were said to have been coded but, according to several present, left little doubt about his intentions. Clare Short, the International Development Secretary, has also threatened to resign.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/Iraq/Story/0,2763,913978,00.html
 

59073 Postings, 8804 Tage zombi17Verückte Welt

 
  
    #12
14.03.03 14:22
Der eine will Krieg machen und wird zerlegt , der andere will keinen Krieg machen und wird auch zerlegt.
Das ist schon ne miese Zeit in der man es niemanden mehr Recht machen kann.
Wie stehen eigentlich die Franzosen zu Ihrem Guru , wird der auch so zerlegt?  

79561 Postings, 9201 Tage KickyTürkei massiv unter Druck gesetzt,Nordfront geplan

 
  
    #13
14.03.03 14:32
The Turkish parliament agreed Thursday to hold a weekend session to decide whether to allow the U.S. to base troops in Turkey to attack Iraq from the north. The United States also pressed for a final answer on use of Turkey's airspace, the fallback position that would allow the U.S. to airlift troops into northern Iraq and fly bombing missions into other parts of Iraq.

Bush sent a toughly worded letter to incoming Turkish Prime Minister Recep Tayyip Erdogan on Thursday asking him for a decision. The letter, hand-delivered by U.S. Ambassador W. Robert Pearson, was followed by a telephone call from Vice President Dick Cheney.  interessanter Artikel!
http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/iraq/...la%2Dhome%2Dheadlines
Nordfront weiterhin geplant by air und über Jordanien
http://www.worldtribune.com/worldtribune/front_2.html  

79561 Postings, 9201 Tage KickySaudi Arabien im Zwiespalt

 
  
    #14
14.03.03 14:46
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A23050-2003Mar13.html
das Königshaus braucht die Unterstützung der Amis gegen innere und äussere Feinde,jedoch ist die überwiegende Mehrheit der Bevölkerung gegen den Krieg.Die 8000 US-Soldaten die hier ständig stationiert sind,sind möglichst unsichtbar,da man Christen im Land der Kaaba nicht sehen will.
Im Artefernsehen kam vor Kurzem,dass von den angeblich 250000 irakischen Soldaten,die im ersten Golfkrieg an der Grenze zu Saudiarabien gestanden haben sollen laut CIA ,nur sehr wenig zu sehen war,nicht mal Spuren im Sand ,und ein Schwarzer berichtete,die wenigen die sie getroffen hätten,hätten Sand im Gewehr gehabt!
Trotzdem haben USA anschliessend für 200 Milliarden Waffen an die Saudis verkauft,wahrscheinlich gegen Öl.  

34698 Postings, 8893 Tage DarkKnight@kicky: Du glaubst gar nicht, wie Recht Du hast.

 
  
    #15
14.03.03 14:51
Die Saudis wissen nicht mehr, wie sie sich verhalten sollen. Ihre größte Befürchtung ist ein religiös-politischer Flächenbrand, das das Regime dort stürzen könnte. Und wer sonst als die Amis könnten wieder für "Ruhe und Ordnung" sorgen (und nebenbei die Ölvorkommen neu aufteilen)?

So zumindest die Einschätzung einer meiner "ominösen" Bekannten.

 

30 Postings, 8598 Tage senfiMarket rumor that UN. inspectors moved out of Iraq

 
  
    #16
14.03.03 15:11
08:33 ET   Market rumor that U.N. inspectors moved out of Iraq  
This is a rumor circulating trading floors. It has not been confirmed by an official source.
 

79561 Postings, 9201 Tage Kicky2.Golfkrieg :Big Bang,hunderte von Explosionen

 
  
    #17
14.03.03 21:32
gleichzeitig.Das Pentagonwort dafür heisst Simultaneity,kleine satellitengeführte Bomben attackieren gleichzeitig  eine grosse Zahl von Zielen.Die Doktrin der Unvermeidlichkeit,der Irak soll in einer Woche erobert werden!JDAMs heissen die kleinen Biester -joint direct-attack munitions- sie finden ihr Ziel unabhängig vom Wetter automatisch:die Kommandoposten der Republikanischen Garden und die Presidenten Paläste.

The first Gulf War was as relentless and predictable as the tides— waves of warplanes, followed by thousands of U.S. troops, destroyed much of the Iraqi military. The second Gulf War, if it comes, would be more like the Big Bang—hundreds of towering explosions all across Iraq all at the same time. The Pentagon buzz word for this is simultaneity. The plan would have unprecedented numbers of smart, satellite-guided bombs attack a multitude of targets over a great sweep of territory, swiftly followed by U.S. troops seizing key objectives.

Call it the doctrine of inevitability. The U.S. military wants to capture 75% of Iraq, a country the size of California, in the war's first week and convince the Iraqi military that resistance is futile. The Pentagon is betting that most of Iraq's 400,000 troops would not fight. The diehards—led by the 20,000 members of the Special Republican Guard and the Special Security Organization, which would be suspected of hiding banned weapons—would be expected to hole up in greater Baghdad, which includes Saddam Hussein's hometown of Tikrit, 100 miles north of the capital. The Pentagon believes that the Iraqi dictator's 24-year reign would come to an end, one way or another, somewhere in that vicinity.

"Our troops in the field are trained; they're ready; they are capable," Army General Tommy Franks said last week after briefing President Bush on the war plan
http://www.time.com/time/covers/1101030317/nmilitaryA.html  

79561 Postings, 9201 Tage KickyKrieg immer wahrscheinlicher sagt Straw heute

 
  
    #18
15.03.03 13:17
Sat March 15, 2003 05:54 AM ET
PRAIA DA VITORIA, Azores (Reuters) - As President Bush and Prime Minister Tony Blair prepared for crisis talks in mid-Atlantic, Britain said on Saturday that a U.S.-led war on Iraq was increasingly likely -- and maybe just days away.

"The prospect of military action is now much more probable," Blair's Foreign Secretary Jack Straw said.

The White House said the summit in the Azores with Spain on Sunday was no council of war but a last chance for diplomacy after other Security Council members rebuffed the trio's repeated efforts to win a clear U.N. mandate for an invasion.

But diplomats at the United Nations said Washington's swift rejection of a proposal by Chile to break the impasse on another resolution indicated that U.N. negotiations were all but over.

Adam Ingram, Britain's armed forces minister, agreed the world may be just days from a conflict. "I think that language which has been used over recent days in London would lead us to that conclusion," he said in Athens in answer to a question.

Straw told the BBC that Saddam could still avert war by a "last-minute" compliance with U.N. demands to disarm -- though Baghdad insists it is already meeting those requirements.

Keen to widen splits in the Security Council, Iraq gave the United Nations on Friday what Baghdad called "reliable evidence" that it had destroyed all its stocks of VX nerve gas. It said it would supply a similar report on anthrax soon, though few diplomats expect Iraq's arguments to sway Washington and London.

On Saturday, Iraqi technicians went on with the U.N.-ordered destruction of al-Samoud 2 missiles.
Bush and Blair will be joined by Spanish Prime Minister Jose Maria Aznar and Portuguese Prime Minister Jose Manual Durao Barroso at the Lajes U.S. air base on Portugal's Azores.

Bush, Blair and Aznar have been trying for weeks to build a nine-vote majority on the 15-nation Security Council for a resolution paving the way to war. Blair in particular is keen for clear U.N. backing to assuage anti-war sentiment at home.

But despite arguing, arm-twisting and apparent inducements such as Friday's move to lift U.S. sanctions on Pakistan, only one other nation, Bulgaria, has publicly declared its support.

Veto-wielding France and Russia, along with Germany, have led counter-arguments that the U.N. inspections process to disarm and contain any threat from Saddam is working.

Some U.N. diplomats say the Azores summit may decide to withdraw the resolution rather than risk the humiliation, and legal complications, of seeing it voted down.
Then Turkey played a key role, but U.S. officials say they have all but given up hope that Ankara will allow American troops to deploy there in time for any conflict with Iraq.

Turkish Prime Minister Tayyip Erdogan delivered a further blow when he said his government would not consider the idea until it wins a confidence vote in parliament, maybe next week.

U.S. officials say a multi-billion-dollar aid package offered in exchange for Turkish cooperation has been withdrawn, barring a last-minute reversal by the Turkish parliament.

About 10 ships loaded with armor and equipment for the Fourth Infantry Division, a high-tech body of 30,000 soldiers, waits off Turkey for the order to disembark or divert elsewhere.



Zurücknahme des Resolutionsantrags immer wahrscheinlicher nachdem Chiles Vorschlag verworfen wurde und nur Bulgarien noch für den Krieg stimmt neben USA,Greatbritain,Spanien und Italien.Türkei lehnt Aufmarsch der Amerikaner an der Nordgrenze zum Irak weiterhin ab.30000 Soldaten warten vor Iskenderun und werden jetzt wohl über Jordanien marschieren müssen

www.reuters.com  

6422 Postings, 9307 Tage MaMoeDer KOSOVO-KRIEG damals war auch OHNE UN-Beschluss

 
  
    #19
15.03.03 23:17
ich erinnere an das VETO aus Russland, um das sich keine "Sau" geschehrt hat damals ... die UN ist so unwichtig -und war es auch schon immer- wie ein Kropf ...

Also, wen bitte, interessiert es, was der Sicherheitsrat sagt ??? Damals niemanden und heute auch niemanden ...

Ich habe damals keinen einzigen hier aufschreien sehen, als das russische "Nein" vom Tisch gewischt wurde ... aber jetzt geht´s ja gegen die bösen Amis und das mit der "linken Moral des Kaiser Wilhelms" ... denn da war die Moral genauso wie heute bei euch: schau mer mal zu, wie die Türken ´n paar Armenier ausrotten ...

Meine Damen und Herren, Ihr kotzt mich langsam leider echt an ...
Linke eben ... geht demonstrieren und versucht euch Gehör zu verschaffen ... bei den Unterbelichteten dieser Welt kriegt ihr es vielleicht ...

hahahaha ...
MaMoe ...  

51345 Postings, 8964 Tage eckiMaMoe heul dich aus beim linken Papst od Gauweiler

 
  
    #20
16.03.03 00:08
Die sind auch unterbelichtet, wie die Gemeinde zu der Bush angeblich betet.

Grüße
ecki  

95441 Postings, 8764 Tage Happy EndMaMoe, wie viele Soldatenstiefel

 
  
    #21
16.03.03 00:46
hast Du heute wieder geküsst, dass Dir das Stiefelfett wieder so die Sinne vernebelt hat? *lol*  

51345 Postings, 8964 Tage eckiSchreibfehler, sorry

 
  
    #22
16.03.03 00:48
wie die Gemeinde mit der Bush angeblich betet.

Grüße
ecki  

79561 Postings, 9201 Tage Kicky@Mamoe

 
  
    #23
16.03.03 13:33
beste antifaschistische grüsse! GEGEN RASSISMUS! GEGEN SEXISMUS! GEGEN FASCHISMUS! GEGEN NATIONALISMUS! GEGEN HOMOPHOBIE!
 

142 Postings, 8401 Tage zlipMaMoe

 
  
    #24
16.03.03 13:39
Du hast auf der ganzen linie Recht. Weiter so.
Kicky musst du verstehen sie ist halt anders als die normalen.
Kicky soll doch zu ihrem Sadam gehen und händchen halten, sie kann im ja helfen ein par Kurden zu vergasen! Er ist ja so gut der Sadam!  

6422 Postings, 9307 Tage MaMoeSoll ich mich jetzt darüber ärgern, oder lachen??

 
  
    #25
21.03.03 17:02
Mädels und Jungs, es wird Zeit, dass ihr mal die Wahrheit vertragt ... auch wenn´se schwer zum Schlucken ist ...

hahahaha
MaMoe ....  

1849 Postings, 8203 Tage kunibertMaMoe, der war sehr guuut (19.Posting)

 
  
    #26
1
21.03.03 17:16
Meine Damen und Herren, Ihr kotzt mich langsam leider echt an ...
Linke eben ... geht demonstrieren und versucht euch Gehör zu verschaffen ... bei den Unterbelichteten dieser Welt kriegt ihr es vielleicht ...

hahahaha ...
 

179550 Postings, 8496 Tage GrinchKunigunde du Doldi.

 
  
    #27
21.03.03 17:29
Willst wohl behaupten das alle Kriegsgegner linke sind!?! Also ich bin gegen den Krieg, halte Franco für einen Heiligen und heisse mit einem meiner vielen Vornamen Salasar. Noch fragen?  

19279 Postings, 9147 Tage ruhrpottzockerWer nicht weiss, wo links und rechts sind, der

 
  
    #28
1
21.03.03 17:32

heisst Mod/Prawda/Kunibert/Anarch.  

1849 Postings, 8203 Tage kunibertoder mara

 
  
    #29
21.03.03 17:34
hahahahahaaaaaaaaaahhaaaaaaaaaa  

19279 Postings, 9147 Tage ruhrpottzockerMara steckt ja wohl den oben genannten

 
  
    #30
21.03.03 17:35

mit links in die rechte Tasche !

Aber ein Kunststück ist das nicht ! Eher Leichenfledderei.  

1849 Postings, 8203 Tage kuniberthahahahahah ;-) RPZ, der war GUUUTTT !! o. T.

 
  
    #31
21.03.03 17:38

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