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23601 Postings, 6374 Tage Chalifmann3Warum die gescheitert sind (1/4)

 
  
    #26
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09.11.11 19:03
Even by the low standards of failures in Phase III studies, Targacept’s failure is phenomenal. Phenomenal because TC-5214 had shown such promise in a Phase II depression study – demonstrating a six point improvement in the Hamilton D (or HAM-D) depression score of the combination of TC-5214 and Forest’s (FRX) Celexa compared to Celexa alone. A two or three point improvement would have been good enough. In addition, secondary endpoints in that Phase II study were also all positive (for example, in the Montgomery-Asberg Depression Rating Scale, or MADRS, TC-5214 plus Celexa demonstrated a greater than seven-point improvement over Celexa alone). This was enough for Astra Zeneca (AZN) to pony up $200 million in up-front fees and in-license TC-5214 for a total of $1.24 billion. The attraction was not just based on the study, but also on a new mode of action – TC-5214 is a modified version of mecamylamine, used last century to treat hypertension but in trials for Tourette’s were found to have anti-depressant properties. In contrast, most anti-depressants work through the serotonin or nor-epinephrine pathway.

Fast forward to Phase III, and the first of four Phase III studies looking at efficacy, Renaissance 3 (R3) was a bust. 624 European patients were recruited to receive standard therapy of SSRI and SNRI. After eight weeks of treatment, 295 patients who did not respond adequately were randomized to receive either a flexible dose of TC-5214 or placebo on background therapy. The dosage of TC-5214 was initially 2 mg/day and could be increased at the discretion of the investigator to 4 mg/day and 8 mg/day based on tolerability and therapeutic response.

So what happened in Phase III? How could a drug that was so promising in Phase II fail in Phase III? Several points need to be considered.

1. STUDY SITE: The Phase II trial was conducted in U.S. and (repeat and) India, not just India alone. The R3 was conducted in Europe. There are several cultural differences between the East and West that people conducting trials should be aware of. Indian patients are much more trusting than patients in the U.S. or Europe. Thus, even when told they could be getting placebo, they are liable to show a higher response rate than those in the West. In a highly subjective disease such as depression, where there are no objective measures, that can have a huge effect. But, as mentioned, the Phase II study was in U.S. AND India, not just India alone. Were there too many Indian patients that skewed the data in the Phase II study? Possible and I’m sure both companies have already evaluated that possibility. Looking at efficacy in just the U.S. patients of the Phase II study and comparing it to the Indian patients should have been done. If there was a huge difference, that would have been a red flag. If there was no difference, the answer lies elsewhere.

2. STUDY DESIGN: Both studies had an unusual “flexible design” rather than the standard parallel study design. The putative advantage of this study design is that it is supposed to give an answer with fewer patients. I have read several articles on this study design, but I’m still skeptical. I have yet to see a Phase III study, irrespective of the indication, that confirms the Phase II data of this design. I hope some reader who is better than me in statistics will comment on this below and educate U.S. all. Also in the design, were the inclusion and exclusion criteria the same in both studies? For example, in Phase II, only citalopram failures or partial responders were included whereas in the R3, failures could have been with any SSRI or SNRI. The populations, strictly speaking, are not the same.

3. MECHANISM OF ACTION: A single negative study, even if in Phase III, may not kill new mechanisms of action, but it will make it much harder to interest big pharma to go after novel targets. It will further decrease an already depressed CNS focus in big pharma, with many companies exiting this therapeutic area. For a small company with CNS focus, the job just got harder. An additional point about MOA – were there genetic differences that can explain the differences? Indians are genetically not that different from Caucasians, especially Germans (bet that surprises a lot of readers), but it should still be considered since this study was conducted in Poland, Baltic states, Finland, Czech Republic, France and Sweden in addition to Germany.

The other Phase III studies have already started. The data should be intriguing

MFG
Chali  

7019 Postings, 5767 Tage butzerleschade, schade...

 
  
    #27
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09.11.11 20:40
fast 10% vom Tageshoch wieder runtergerutscht. Aber immerhin heute eine Gegenreaktion, würde mich freuen, wenn es zumindest im Grün schließt  

2867 Postings, 5729 Tage thomasd22puuuh

 
  
    #28
09.11.11 21:18
nur noch +4%.....zu $7 oder drunter würde ich auch zuschlagen...ist momentan echt schwer zu deuten, weil eh alles abstürzt. man muss mal einen "normalen" tag abwarten und sehen was passiert....  

2682 Postings, 4819 Tage lady luckhehe (?)

 
  
    #29
09.11.11 22:17

2682 Postings, 4819 Tage lady lucknochmal_buy the dip

 
  
    #30
09.11.11 22:21

2682 Postings, 4819 Tage lady luckkleine gegenüberstellung: targarcept

 
  
    #31
10.11.11 00:11
Targacept shares cut in half on failure of TC-5214; partner AstraZeneca's stock also takes a hit.
 

2682 Postings, 4819 Tage lady luckmit alexza (von den zahlen her interessant)

 
  
    #32
10.11.11 00:14
ALXA Stock | Alexza Pharmaceuticals Inc. Stock Upgraded (ALXA) - TheStreet
Alexza Pharmaceuticals (Nasdaq:ALXA) has been upgraded by TheStreet Ratings from a sell to hold..
besonders schön finde ich den passus "we find that the company has not been very careful in the management of its balance sheet".  

2682 Postings, 4819 Tage lady luckvs. targacept (das blatt meinte ich, wrong link o)

 
  
    #33
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10.11.11 00:17

23601 Postings, 6374 Tage Chalifmann3Was ist wenn ....

 
  
    #34
10.11.11 16:53
die anderen 3 Phase-3 Studien auch noch floppen,was ist Targacept dann noch wert ? Eigentlich garnix,oder ? Die sind trotz des absturzes immer noch vergleichsweise sehr hoch bewertet .....

Grummel  

7019 Postings, 5767 Tage butzerleChalif, da irrst du

 
  
    #35
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11.11.11 13:33
Targacept hat praktisch keine Schulden. Hat mehr als 200 Millionen Cash bei 33 Millionen Aktien.

Dazu einen 1,2 Milliarden Vermarktungsvertrag mit Astra Zeneca für das erst mal gefloppte TC-5214. Unter welchen Umständen Astra dort aussteigen kann, habe ich nicht in Erfahrung bringen können.

Mal angenommen, die weiteren Renaissance-Parallel-Studien floppen auch, dann wäre aufgrund der herausragenden Phase II -Ergebnisse auch ein anderes Design bzw. andere Auswahl des Probandenprofils denkbar.

Dazu noch eine Pipeline von weiteren Kandidaten.

Also, da gibt es weiß Gott zig Buden, die deutlich weniger zu bieten haben....  

7019 Postings, 5767 Tage butzerleheute geht ja wieder was

 
  
    #36
1
11.11.11 16:50
neuer Angriff auf die 8 Dollar Marke...  

7019 Postings, 5767 Tage butzerleVolumen trocknet langsam aus

 
  
    #37
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11.11.11 19:34
heute in den ersten vier Stunden keine Millionen Aktien gehandelt. Das sah in den letzten Tagen noch ganz anders aus.

Da war das schon das Volumen in der Vorbörse...  

23601 Postings, 6374 Tage Chalifmann3Ich weiss wirklich nicht,ob ich irre ...

 
  
    #38
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11.11.11 21:10
Schau her Butz,eine aktie ,die ich schon länger beobachtete,ist Nabi Biopharmaceuticals (NASDAQ:NABI),die hatten ein Anti Raucher Impfstoff in Phase-3 (Nicvax) und ähnlich fette Cashreserven wie Targacept bei keinen Schulden. Jetzt sind die mit Nicvax in Phase-3 gescheitert und nur noch 80 Mio.-$ wert d.h. wenn man vergleicht ,könnte auch Targaceot von 260 auf 80 Mio absacken,wenn die Phase-3 scheitert,hm ? Warum soll man das nicht vergleichen können ......

MFG
Chali  

7019 Postings, 5767 Tage butzerleklar kann das absacken, aber,,,,

 
  
    #39
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13.11.11 22:38
das wird dauern Diese Phase III ist schon komplett durchfinanziert.

Die Erwartungshaltung für die kommenden Ergebnisse in 2012 dürften nun gering sein, da sollte bei weiteren schlechten Ergebnissen das Abwärtspotenzial begrenzt sein.

Targacept müsste wirklich viel Geld verbrennen, dass sie auf 80 Millionen absacken. Das droht unmittelbar nicht, allein schon wegen der Kohle von Astra Zeneca.

Aber klar ist auch, nur mit viel versprechenden News geht es da auch wieder aufwärts. Immerhin, am Dienstag nehmen sie an einer Analystenkonferenz teil. Da sie Cash bewahren wollen und Teilnahme an solchen Veranstaltungen auch was kostet, hoffe ich doch mal auf ermutigende Insindernews

http://finance.yahoo.com/news/...azard-bw-3581321513.html?x=0&l=1  

7019 Postings, 5767 Tage butzerleDas war es wohl für TC-5214

 
  
    #40
20.12.11 14:15
auch die zweite Studie in den Sand gesetzt von den 4....

http://finance.yahoo.com/news/...eca-Targacept-bw-4000131622.html?x=0  

7019 Postings, 5767 Tage butzerlerecht guter Überblick über die Firma

 
  
    #41
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20.12.11 16:50
bietet nun dieser Artikel hier....

http://seekingalpha.com/article/...c-5214-disappointment?source=yahoo

Nun ist TC-5214 als großer Hoffnungsträger mehr oder weniger zerplatzt. Astra Zeneca hat den Wert der Patente schon mal um 50% gleich heute in einer Adhoc abgeschrieben  

23601 Postings, 6374 Tage Chalifmann3und butz ?

 
  
    #42
20.12.11 18:21
Ich habs dir doch gesagt,hast jetzt wieder fette Verluste gemacht ? Und vor allem : Warum sollte es bei Endocyte anders laufen als hier ????

MFG
Chali  

7019 Postings, 5767 Tage butzerleWarum sollte es dort so laufen?

 
  
    #43
1
20.12.11 23:39
und im Grunde ist der aktuelle Abschlag nun überzogen. Die Firma wird auf Cashniveau gehandelt, hat aber mit Astra Zeneca einen schönen Goldesel unter Vertrag, der vorerst mal für sämtliche Kosten aufkommt.

Dieser Abschlag heute ist die blanke Panik, allerdings ist eine Rückkehr zu 8 Dollar nun sehr, sehr steinig. Da muss schon die Phase II, deren Ergebnisse Anfang des Jahres kommt, wieder ein Kracher sein.  

23601 Postings, 6374 Tage Chalifmann3Funktioniert das überhaupt ?

 
  
    #44
21.12.11 12:00
Die Technologie,mit der TRGT arbeitet,"Neuronal Nicotinic Receptors (NNR)" muss ernsthaft in Frage gestellt werden,denn auch NABI hat das alles schon versucht ,und ist gescheitert !
'Und so sieht es aus: Wenn die Technologie nix taugt ,wird TRGT auch noch auf unter 2 Dollar fallen,da nützen dir die 200 Mio.-cash garnüscht:

Hier der chart von NABI  
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7019 Postings, 5767 Tage butzerleIst ja auch

 
  
    #45
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03.01.12 18:26
eine Frage der Definition der Tests und der Indikation.

Nur weil zwei Firmen mit ähnlichen Substanzen 2x Schiffbruch erlitten haben, ist das berhaupt kein Grund, dass Biotech auf Nikotinderivaten generell floppen muss.....

Generell ist es schon schlüssig. Raucher benötigen Nikotin als Glückssubstanz, also kann ein Derivat davon durchaus als Antidepressivum wirken....

Ich habe heute nachgekauft!  

7019 Postings, 5767 Tage butzerleAstraZeneca

 
  
    #46
1
06.01.12 13:17
... finanziert neue Phase-II-Studie von Targacept

http://www.bizjournals.com/triad/news/2012/01/05/...ug.html?ana=yfcpc

Also, auch nach dem vermeintlichen Scheitern von TC-5214 glaubt der britische Pharmariese an die "Neuronal Nicotinic Receptors (NNR)"
Sind die, wenn man Chalifman glauben kann, blöd.

Die gute Nachricht ist aber auch, dass die Cash-Kuh nicht die Weide verlässt und weiterhin Targacept mit der Finanzierung versorgt - trotz Fehlschlag.....  

23601 Postings, 6374 Tage Chalifmann3Die sind nicht blööd,aber .....

 
  
    #47
25.01.12 09:58
It's not often that you find companies trading at a negative enterprise value and/or less than cash on hand, so it caught my eye recently that Targacept (Nasdaq: TRGT) had fallen so far. Although investors have definitely had to weather some major disappointments here and the true value of the company's neuronal nicotinic receptor technology is very much in doubt, it's not often that the normally too-optimistic world of biotech says that a company would be better off shutting off the lights and passing out the cash.

The Bad News, In Brief

The failure of Targacept's TC-5214 got plenty of attention in late 2011; earlier studies had been quite encouraging and there was optimism that Targacept and partner AstraZeneca (NYSE: AZN) had a potential blockbuster on their hands with a very new approach to treating major depression. In marked contrast to earlier studies (including a Phase 2b study run in India), the pivotal REN 2 and REN 3 studies failed to show a clinical benefit.

There are still ongoing studies (notably the fixed-dose REN 4 and REN 5) with this drug in major depression, but nobody expects anything from them now. At best, any success in these remaining studies would confuse the heck out of scientists and biostatisticians and require at least another pivotal study.

This is not the only failure in Targacept's books, though. TC-5619 did show enough efficacy in ADHD for AstraZeneca to license the compound, though Targacept is giving it another shot in inattentive-predominant ADHD.

Still Addressing At Least Two Major Markets

The encouraging news for shareholders is that these weren't the only shots on goal the company had.

In addition to the inattentive ADHD indication, Targacept is investigating TC-5619 for use in treating what are called residual symptoms in schizophrenia. While plenty of people are aware of the “positive” symptoms of schizophrenia like hallucinations, delusions, and agitation, less attention is given to the “negative” symptoms like blunt affect, anhedonia, and emotional withdrawal.

Atypical antipsychotics are some of the best advances in the history of drug therapy, sparing many schizophrenia patients from being sedated into oblivion, and have produced blockbusters like Abilify (marketed in the U.S. by Bristol-Myers Squibb (NYSE: BMY), Lilly's (NYSE: LLY) Zyprexa, AstraZeneca's Seroquel and Johnson & Johnson's (NYSE: JNJ) Risperdal. That said, these drugs can have serious side-effects and they aren't often very effective in dealing with the “negative” symptoms of the disease, leaving a real unmet clinical need.

Targacept also has two drugs in trials for one of the holy grail's of biotechnology – Alzheimer's disease. AZD-3480 is already in a Phase 2 study comparing the drug with Aricept after an encouraging earlier Phase 2 study, and Targacept announced during the first week of January that AstraZeneca had elected to move AZD-1446 into a Phase 2 study in Alzheimer's as well, despite a prior unsuccessful trial in ADHD.

Although Alzheimer's has chewed up many biotechs and only a handful of drugs have made it to approval (Forest Labs' (NYSE: FRX) Namenda and Pfizer (NYSE:PFE)/Eisai's Aricept among them), it too is a multi-billion dollar opportunity for an effective drug.

And Two More After That...

Those aren't the only ongoing clinical programs at Targacept. The company also has its TC-6987 drug in Phase 2 studies in both asthma and diabetes. Data from both studies are expected at some point in the first half of 2012. This a very new approach to these diseases and likely a long-shot for the company, but the size of the asthma and diabetes markets is huge and it would likely not be hard to find interested parties to partner for pivotal studies if the Phase 2 data is strong enough.

Balancing Opportunity And Cost

While Targacept is in solid shape today from a cash perspective (management expected to end the year with about $240 million in cash), Phase 3 trials are famously expensive. Targacept certainly has the funds to wait to see the outcome of the schizophrenia trial and AstraZeneca will be funding those trials in Alzheimers.

If TC-5619 shows enough efficacy to merit a Phase 3 study and/or if TC-6987 likewise shows enough efficacy to lead to further trials in asthma or diabetes, the company could face some tough decisions. AstraZeneca would presumably be interested in TC-5619 for schizophrenia, and the company has certainly shown its willingness to stand by Targacept's therapy platform despite numerous clinical setbacks. Still, investors cannot completely rule out the possibility that the company may have to try to go it alone in one or more of these drugs and raise the funds to sponsor further clinical development.

Failure Isn't The End

Just a few months ago, it looked like Targacept may have held the keys to a valuable platform therapy based around nicotonic receptors. With another clinical failure in hand now, though, the Street has soured on this stock to the point where it believes management will only destroy value by pursuing additional studies.

That seems a bit extreme given AstraZeneca's apparent willingness to continue its relationship with the company. Admittedly, the cost of Phase 2 studies in Alzheimer's is modest relative to the huge potential of an effective drug, but it could have walked away entirely if it didn't believe the drugs had some chance to work. Likewise, there are reasons to worry about the company's patent estate (patents for TC-5619 and AZD-3840 start expiring at the end of the decade), but that hardly seems to be a topic of discussion today.

A Sharper Risk/Reward Trade-Off

Given the dismal history of clinical drug development in schizophrenia and Alzheimer's, it's hard to be optimistic about any of those opportunities. That said, a long-shot is not the same as no shot and Targacept at least bears watching until data on TC-5619 are available. Likewise, this stock is basically a binary outcome at this point – if schizophrenia and Alzheimer's indications work out, the stock is a multi-bagger from today's price, while more clinical failure (coupled with cash consumption) will push this close to worthless.

Targacept may not be the best risk-return tradeoff out there today, but the company is not as hopeless as a negative enterprise value would suggest

MFG
Chali  

13233 Postings, 4966 Tage RudiniFehlschlag bei der Forschung!

 
  
    #49
16.04.15 15:25

13233 Postings, 4966 Tage RudiniTRGT hält sich gut

 
  
    #50
16.04.15 16:02
trotz der Bad News.

Der anstehende Merger mit CBIO scheint der Aktie wohl einen Boden zu verleihen.

http://www.targacept.com/newsroom/...ment%20Company&newsyear=2015

 

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